weber speakers how good are they

jbzoso2002 (cant log in) · Post by **jbzoso2002 (cant log in)** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:50 pm

i am going to replace my g12t75's
the celestion heretage are very pricy the webers are priced much better
i would like to know if anyone here uses them and how do they sound compared to celestion original greenbacks and g12h's

and most importantly which weber model numbers = the original
greenback and g12h

thanks jimmy

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:19 pm

John from Stone Age just told me about him trying out a 1230-55 and comparing it to a 70s G12H30 and he said their pretty identical. I love my 1230-55. Deep as hell. Not shrill like celecstions. Vintage my ass. People say the weber Silver Bell is as close to PR Greenbacks as you get. Mixing Webers with celestions is pretty cool. Celestions for presence and webers for depth. Liek a silver bell abd V30 or Greenback. Personally I really want a 1936 with a 75hz and 55hz silver bell combo next. Thats why Im talking to John. Celestion G12H30 and Weber 1230 combos are raved about as well.

Post by **VelvetGeorge** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:27 pm

You won't go wrong with John's cabs. Solid as a rock.

George

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:06 am

My Weber Silver Bells kill with my Marshalls, thick and fat in the mids but a nice crisp pick attack. Thumbs up (among other appendages!!!)

jbzoso2002 or somthing · Post by **jbzoso2002 or somthing** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:33 am

thanks for your reply's gents

looks like ill try the silver bells.

anyone need 4 g1275t's

thanks jimmy

Guitarcrazy · Post by **Guitarcrazy** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:20 am

Billy Batz wrote:John from Stone Age just told me about him trying out a 1230-55 and comparing it to a 70s G12H30 and he said their pretty identical. I love my 1230-55. Deep as hell. Not shrill like celecstions. Vintage my ass. People say the weber Silver Bell is as close to PR Greenbacks as you get. Mixing Webers with celestions is pretty cool. Celestions for presence and webers for depth. Liek a silver bell abd V30 or Greenback. Personally I really want a 1936 with a 75hz and 55hz silver bell combo next. Thats why Im talking to John. Celestion G12H30 and Weber 1230 combos are raved about as well.

Now that is a great description. I have a Marshall 1960ax cab (that I want to keep/use), but I've tried just about everything to get those speakers in there to 'warm up'. From breaking them in using a filament tranny, to just playing them. At least one of them is phizzy, sounding ratty to me. Also I'm getting a 'shrill' high, icepick like sound from at least one as well. I want a smoother high sound, while still want that older, Marshall tone that I hear on late 60's to early 70's rnr. Looking for a smoother style breakup, with a creamy top. I've gone from debating from doing a Greenback replacement (like Scumbag speakers), to Weber Silver Bell (alnico or ceramic ...). Sounds like I might want to try a combo though, of maybe the Silver Bells / 1230-55's in a x pattern. Has anyone tried these together in a cab? I want some experienced opinions, before I lay out the dough (guess I probably should be talking to Ted also ...).

DonM

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:12 pm

The 1230-55hz are very deep compared to the icepicky celestion G12H30s. The celestion G12Ms by themselves are way too shrill for me. Id bet anything the Silver Bells are probably the same degree deeper thenm the celestion G12Ms as the 1320-55 are to the G12Hs. You can always stick a set of 55hz in there.

Guitarcrazy · Post by **Guitarcrazy** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:41 pm

Billy Batz wrote:The 1230-55hz are very deep compared to the icepicky celestion G12H30s. The celestion G12Ms by themselves are way too shrill for me. Id bet anything the Silver Bells are probably the same degree deeper thenm the celestion G12Ms as the 1320-55 are to the G12Hs. You can always stick a set of 55hz in there.

Thanks Dan for the info.

I've made my decision (I've been thinking about this for about the last 2-3 months actually). I wanted to at least replace 2 speakers, and now ... I'm thinking that I'm just going to replace them all. I'm going to send a email to Ted to ask him about the 1230-55 & Silver Bell combo. Otherwise, I might just wind up getting 4 1230-55's.

It's really odd. I have another 8 ohm greenback that I purchased locally (probably 3-4 years ago), and it sounds great (I'm keeping that one). Too bad it's the wrong impedance.

My Marshall is finally going to be happy ....

DonM

dirtydeeds22 · Post by **dirtydeeds22** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:56 pm

What are you guys with Webers' using, Alnico or Ceramic? Quite a price difference. It seems that all speaker companies that have ceramic vs. Alnico choices, the Alnico are always way more expensive. Just wondering why and is the sound difference worth it?

Jeff

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:42 pm

Ceramic. Like Celestions. Unless I want to go for the low wattage AC30 type cab with AlNiCo's. I do want one but they are expensive.

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:16 am

Billy Batz wrote:The 1230-55hz are very deep compared to the icepicky celestion G12H30s. The celestion G12Ms by themselves are way too shrill for me. Id bet anything the Silver Bells are probably the same degree deeper thenm the celestion G12Ms as the 1320-55 are to the G12Hs. You can always stick a set of 55hz in there.

Although I can't say I'm unhappy with my 4x12 with the RI greenback G12M's which I find bright but not obnoxiously so (but hey, they've been taking the hit for eleven years now....) you are correct about the depth of the Weber mids and highs in comparison. The Webers smack you in the back HARD like a sledgehammer, while the Celestions are nice tame little speakers when broken in well.

rjgtr · Post by **rjgtr** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:32 am

Anicos are higher priced because the materials cost more.

I've got a Weber G1230-55 in my 18 watt combo and really like it. If you want a rounded tone, make sure you get at least some doping on the cone. This helps tame highs. My speaker has no doping, so it has the same kind of high end my Celestion G12H-30 has but with a much deeper low end.

62sg · Post by **62sg** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:20 am

yeah....the webers are even a bit smoother in the highs,especially after well broken in

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:55 pm

In all fairness on the RI Greenbacks, mine warmed up considerably when I accidentally ran one of my 50-watters to my mis-wired cab (I was in a hurry and only checked it for 16 ohms, not correct wiring) and only had one 25-watt Greenback handling the amp's power. Smelled a little funny, but that speaker sure did warm up after that.

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:11 pm

Thats how I break mine in. I play a friends Major into a single greenback until I hear it warm up a bit and I keeping my fingers crossed. No- not really.

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