New Celestion G12M-65 Creamback

[stef]

What about your comparison with G12C?
How they compare in tone and volume?

[vkaxeman]

Hey Guys.....the Creamback's ARE indeed UK Built. In brief, the Creamback is like a Heritage G12M, however with a big punchy lowend. It is not as dark as the Heritage 65, but it has a puchier bass to it.....you will be challenged to make it flub out on the lowend. We also put 8 holes in the chassis for the vintage Fender guys (I've been pushing for this forever). And last but not least, they map for $159, just $10 more than a V30, and a good bit less than the Heritage models. We used them in a openback 212 at the amp show and folks were surprised to hear that the cabs were openback. That said, we did not mask the mids or top-end, so they still have that 'woodyness' (sp?) to them that people like about GB's. Next will be the highpower H and then we have a few other cool things happening in the near future. Have fun!

Awesome stuff here!

[OdgeUK]

Hi OdgeUK!
So?
What about your comparison with G12C?
How they compare in tone and volume?
Let we know!
Bye all!

Hi GURU, well, my brain's a bit fried to be honest! Noticing the huge contribution that speakers make to your overall tone has been like taking the wrong pill in The Matrix! At present, I have a pair of G12C, G12-65H, G12M-65 and have just bought some V30's as I'm still not getting the tone in my head! With only two cabs, I can only A/B two different speakers at once.

To answer your question, I did compare G12C and the G12M-65, at medium volume (not quite gig volume) using an attenuated JMP head. Now this is just my opinion, I strongly suggest anyone wanting these should try them in person, but I ended up favouring the G12C. Difficult to describe but I didn't find the G12M-65 to have the same voicing, they both had that aggressive midrange with the G12M-65's definitely sounding 'fuller' but the G12M-65 had a, dare I say it?, a G12-75T quality. You might think that's a bit mad but when I gigged with them, using my Peavy JSX, the other guitarist said exactly the same thing! More sizzly top-end than a G12-75T, maybe too much for higher gain (by that, I mean about "6" on the JSX Crunch Channel) to the point where the speakers seem to be adding a spiky sort of fizz to the top end.

The G12C's had a more 'complex' mid-range and a woodier tone. I played "Outside Woman Blues" by Cream a lot through the two diff speakers and, although I really disliked the lack of bottom end on the G12C, the character was there in spades for that low gain blues rock sound, much more so than the G12M-65.

At the moment I've gone back to the G12-65. They are very dark speakers but a smooth and woody tone, they handle High Gain very well, as well as the Classic 70's Woody tone.

Next Stop.....V30 vs G12C vs G12-65!

[GURU1979]

Tnx a lot for your answer!
I know G12C and i've to say that i like more regular Greenback RI (i've not heard the chinese ones..mine are late english with 53H1777 cone) because i find the C too cut in treble and presence..but is always classic greenback sound..a little smoother.
What you describe as top end sizzle i think is something related to the cones that are 11914 (same as G12M Heritage and EVH) and the doping (maybe high wattage magnet doesn't compress like a low one..).
To my ears the 11914 cone have a lot more treble than 1777 cone and a cleaner midrange..not so squished..
However if you 're after outside woman blues the G12C IS your speaker!

For your needs, i suggest you to try the Marshall Vintage, a special Vintage 30 voiced on marshall request.
It's an in between Vintage 30 and greenback, (something like a laid back V30) i use 2 of them in bottom of my 4x12 (top 2 greenbacks) to add bass and a better spread of sound.
They also match very well in volume (being the greenie ri quite loud, rated at 98db).
Or..try a B cab..they have a little more bass than a standard A cab..or even better if you like more the look of slant cab (i like more straight) a TV cab..they have a lot of bass and are smoother sounding!

Tnx for all!
Bye!

[OdgeUK]

For your needs, i suggest you to try the Marshall Vintage, a special Vintage 30 voiced on marshall request.
It's an in between Vintage 30 and greenback, (something like a laid back V30) i use 2 of them in bottom of my 4x12 (top 2 greenbacks) to add bass and a better spread of sound.

Thanks for the tips! Funnily enough, the V30's I've just got are exactly that! They are the Marshall Vintage. Looking forward to trying them out

[GURU1979]

Let me know!
And good luck!


P.S. and remember to try the marshall vintage in your 4x12 with the G12C..and you'll have the missing bass..i don't know if in a slant cab is better to put different speaker in x or 2 bottom and 2 top..
Bye!

[stef]

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[GURU1979]

Another thing..obviously clapton amp was a bass amp..so the missing bass could be for that reason..
if you are used to the 12C, well the 12C are the less trebly greenback..then the common RI and the one with most treble (because is a little bit more clear in treble and midrange) is the heritage.

So can be closer to a heritage gb in treble response..

[Jab]

...Next will be the highpower H and then we have a few other cool things happening in the near future. Have fun!

I wonder if these high power H's will be low or high sensitivity?

I really like the Creambacks in a 4x12 with my 2203 and the fact that I don't have to be afraid of blowing them out. Great with the Super Bass too. And they work open back too! Still prefer brit G12M's with a lower powered amp.

Really interested in the G12H's. I liked the new Heritage H 75's too but at 100db, they're just too loud.

[jof006]

Hi guys, forgive my ignorance but what's a G12C? I thought greenbacks were G12M.

@OdgeUk - are you selling your G12M-65 CBs or did you return them?

@Celestion101 - I've got a Marshall 6101LM with the G12Gold-200W speaker in its 1x12 combo.
At modest volumes, would the G12M-65 CB give me more of an early Van Halen tone or would there be not much difference until they're pushed to breakup? I don't play loud - home use only.
(Greenbacks seem to be the speakers to get for a VH tone but I haven't got space for a 4 x 12.)

[OdgeUK]

Hi guys, forgive my ignorance but what's a G12C? I thought greenbacks were G12M.

@OdgeUk - are you selling your G12M-65 CBs or did you return them?

@Celestion101 - I've got a Marshall 6101LM with the G12Gold-200W speaker in its 1x12 combo.
At modest volumes, would the G12M-65 CB give me more of an early Van Halen tone or would there be not much difference until they're pushed to breakup? I don't play loud - home use only.
(Greenbacks seem to be the speakers to get for a VH tone but I haven't got space for a 4 x 12.)

G12Cs were Greenback style speakers designed for the Marshall Vintage modern cab and also the Jimi Hendrix Limited 100 Stack. They were, apparently, voiced after a particularly 'woody' sounding 60's G12M reference speaker that the designer wanted to replicate and which wasn't available in the existing Celestion range of G12M speakers. It's a Marshall only speaker, so has to be ordered as a 'replacement part' direct from them or a dealer, they usually require a speaker cabinet serial number before they can place the order. Pretty impressed with mine, they just need more low-end and are pretty horrible under High Gain. IMO of course.

I will probably be selling the G12-65 CB's yes. I think I paid about £180 for the pair, delivered, so still need to think about a price to try and recoup some of my layout. I've used them for three gigs now and still don't like them, although the last gig I noticed that my ears had got used to them and I managed to dial in a sound that made me forget I was using them. I can see why people like them, they do have more low end than a G12-65, V30 and G12M (don't know how they compare in bass to a G12-75T), and they also have those crunchy highs and mids. I just can't get on with the Mid-range character.

[jof006]

Thanks for the info OdgeUK.
Will you be doing any comparison clips of the creambacks?

[OdgeUK]

My Creambacks now for sale:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271202056068? ... 1555.l2649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[awangotango]

hats off to celestion, finally a high powered greenback! this new 65w cream has got a "full-semi hollow mid-honky-throaty-saturated" sound . this is the sound on many favorite records. schenker, zz, leslie et al.

the only tradeoff compared to original g12m's is a trade of some mid complexity for a more rocking 'together' ballsier sound.

[yngwie308]

The Celestion G12H-75's rule!! See my post:
http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42343" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yngwie308