Want that VH1 tone? You gotta slave it!

[IloveMyMarshall]

Thanks for the help. I have a Marshall Power Brake will that work? Also what is the reason for the Load Box? I thought you could run directly from the 2204 to the Pod xt Pro then to the JCM 2000?
Thank again for the help

I think it sounds like ass that way!! You want to tap the signal from the OPT thats why the line load box. I don't know much about the marshall power break if they have a line out feature or not?This is the way I run my setup sounds the best to my ears.So the 2204 will be your dry cab but I run the flanger there, with the 2204 no need for eq, then your 2204 lineout will feed the the input of the podxt live then output to boss 7eq then marshall jcm2000,
You could also get you a seperate power amp Ta1100 ot Ta 1200 and so on thank you Ray!

[nhendrixsc]

ok then I don't need the Weber or Power break. I just use the Pod xt to get the signal back to low level and then into the EQ and then into the JCM 2000. Right???/

[Bronco]

ok then I don't need the Weber or Power break. I just use the Pod xt to get the signal back to low level and then into the EQ and then into the JCM 2000. Right???/

As long as your 2204 is plugged into a cabinet, you'll be fine...otherwise, you need to load it with a PB or Weber etc in lieu of one.

[IloveMyMarshall]

ok then I don't need the Weber or Power break. I just use the Pod xt to get the signal back to low level and then into the EQ and then into the JCM 2000. Right???/

As long as your 2204 is plugged into a cabinet, you'll be fine...otherwise, you need to load it with a PB or Weber etc in lieu of one.

+1

[MarkCameron]

ok then I don't need the Weber or Power break. I just use the Pod xt to get the signal back to low level and then into the EQ and then into the JCM 2000. Right???/

As long as your 2204 is plugged into a cabinet, you'll be fine...otherwise, you need to load it with a PB or Weber etc in lieu of one.

But this wont get you what we are getting at here. This will just be 1 cab dry....and... 1(or2) cab wet......this ...to me.. is slaving..and thats cool too...but..

The idea of the load is...... you can turn the amp up....like a big distortion box...with the line out level as the output of.. this..big distortion box.

The level was too hot from... IloveMyMarshall's ...line out...so the EQ is mostly there to bring down the level and then to fine tune..then it goes to the Pod(I think thats what he's doing). I would just stick a delay pedal after the EQ and put a phase90 in front. OR use a mixer for the pod so you dont have to go through the A/D....D/A converters.

If I was going to use a pod I would try also uesing the pod's amp sounds.....so run from the line out.... into the pods fake amps(w/o the cab stuff) ...add some delay and verb from the pod then go out... into the FX return on the jcm2000

IloveMyMarshall....about your phase90 ....did you take out R28 ?....next to the output jack.

[IloveMyMarshall]

ok then I don't need the Weber or Power break. I just use the Pod xt to get the signal back to low level and then into the EQ and then into the JCM 2000. Right???/

As long as your 2204 is plugged into a cabinet, you'll be fine...otherwise, you need to load it with a PB or Weber etc in lieu of one.

But this wont get you what we are getting at here. This will just be 1 cab dry....and... 1(or2) cab wet......this ...to me.. is slaving..and thats cool too...but..

The idea of the load is...... you can turn the amp up....like a big distortion box...with the line out level as the output of.. this..big distortion box.

The level was too hot from... IloveMyMarshall's ...line out...so the EQ is mostly there to bring down the level and then to fine tune..then it goes to the Pod(I think thats what he's doing). I would just stick a delay pedal after the EQ and put a phase90 in front. OR use a mixer for the pod so you dont have to go through the A/D....D/A converters.

If I was going to use a pod I would try also uesing the pod's amp sounds.....so run from the line out.... into the pods fake amps(w/o the cab stuff) ...add some delay and verb from the pod then go out... into the FX return on the jcm2000

IloveMyMarshall....about your phase90 ....did you take out R28 ?....next to the output jack.

Hey Mark whats up?? Umm no actually I had the EVH P-90. Mark I did not like it, something must of been wrong with that particular unit. I'm looking for later model, and or can you recommend?? I got the EVH Flange Love it!

Yes I was told to use the eq before the pod but ya know the pod has a pad switch for those hot pickups would that work? or my line load box I made with the 5 kpot? Im waiting on another pod to arrive, no sooner I got all hooked up i sold mine made 60 off her money is money and purchased another one better shape case and all anyways thanks for clearing this up!!!
ILMM

[ericopp]

Bad news: I'm melting my ARCOLs.

Good news: I don't care! I'm never going back to playing/recording any other way. My POD is gathering cobwebs (no joke). This is the only way to play!

[ericopp]

Note to Velvet George: you need to build double-amps. With built-in power soaking resistors. Basically, a 12xxx with yet another power stage (no tone stack) to automatically be the slave to the line out signal from the soak. Of course, the line-out signal never leaves the amp; it just gets re-circulated into the next power stage within the same amp cab. The initial power stage needs to be the authentic 100 watt beast, the secondary power stage can be any set up you want: KT88s, 6V6s, EL84s, whatever. I'm guessing we should go with something fairly clean and "flat".

Hey, Jimmy Page plays a double-neck, Michael Angelo plays his patented double-axe.... you can patent the DOUBLE AMP!!!

[MarkCameron]

Note to Velvet George: you need to build double-amps. With built-in power soaking resistors. Basically, a 12xxx with yet another power stage (no tone stack) to automatically be the slave to the line out signal from the soak. Of course, the line-out signal never leaves the amp; it just gets re-circulated into the next power stage within the same amp cab. The initial power stage needs to be the authentic 100 watt beast, the secondary power stage can be any set up you want: KT88s, 6V6s, EL84s, whatever. I'm guessing we should go with something fairly clean and "flat".

Hey, Jimmy Page plays a double-neck, Michael Angelo plays his patented double-axe.... you can patent the DOUBLE AMP!!!

But...... part of it.. is the tone stack and hitting the preamp a bit...too. Stuff like this has been done way before.....Go check out.. Guytron amps.... the circuit is...a preamp that goes to a small poweramp.. then to the front of another Marshall style preamp/100watt poweramp..all in one amp. There was a Trace Elliot amp that had a poweramp as part of the preamp too. Ive made something like this and I think Jose did this idea for the amp he tried to make and put into production.

[Gainfreak]

Note to Velvet George: you need to build double-amps. With built-in power soaking resistors. Basically, a 12xxx with yet another power stage (no tone stack) to automatically be the slave to the line out signal from the soak. Of course, the line-out signal never leaves the amp; it just gets re-circulated into the next power stage within the same amp cab. The initial power stage needs to be the authentic 100 watt beast, the secondary power stage can be any set up you want: KT88s, 6V6s, EL84s, whatever. I'm guessing we should go with something fairly clean and "flat".

Hey, Jimmy Page plays a double-neck, Michael Angelo plays his patented double-axe.... you can patent the DOUBLE AMP!!!

But...... part of it.. is the tone stack and hitting the preamp a bit...too. Stuff like this has been done way before.....Go check out.. Guytron amps.... the circuit is...a preamp that goes to a small poweramp.. then to the front of another Marshall style preamp/100watt poweramp..all in one amp. There was a Trace Elliot amp that had a poweramp as part of the preamp too. Ive made something like this and I think Jose did this idea for the amp he tried to make and put into production.

Sup brother!!
I think Tommy Folkesson is doing something similar to.

I hope all is well and I'll see you soon!!


Ralph

[ericopp]

Guytron amps.... the circuit is...a preamp that goes to a small poweramp.. then to the front of another Marshall style preamp/100watt poweramp..all in one amp.

This is almost exactly what I mean; but flip the amps you speak of. Should be:
preamp
tonestack
100w dimed plexi power!
ton of resistors + heatsinks
line to:
clean power - any wattage between 20-20,000

I'm trying to keep it simple and avoid the extra tonestack and/or mandate that the second amp is 100w. But, that'll work, too....

Do those Guytron amps sound good? Anyone?

[45auto]

oh well... i got one of those reamps. eq into 12 series with "Ray" mod into UA(load), line out to reamp to normal chan(bright is fiercely trebly) jtm45 replica. sounds pretty damn good to me, maybe not evh in a bottle? i'll post it later. i would probably bother with it only if i needed to blast a large venue. basically the tube pre+power amp overdrive principal again.

[MarkCameron]

oh well... i got one of those reamps. eq into 12 series with "Ray" mod into UA(load), line out to reamp to normal chan(bright is fiercely trebly) jtm45 replica. sounds pretty damn good to me, maybe not evh in a bottle? i'll post it later. i would probably bother with it only if i needed to blast a large venue. basically the tube pre+power amp overdrive principal again.

Go back and read......you cant have the bright cap in the "poweramp" amp. You could...I think ..just go out of the line out on the UA. That reamp box is for recording not for this idea.

[carlygtr56]

Guytron amps.... the circuit is...a preamp that goes to a small poweramp.. then to the front of another Marshall style preamp/100watt poweramp..all in one amp.

This is almost exactly what I mean; but flip the amps you speak of. Should be:
preamp
tonestack
100w dimed plexi power!
ton of resistors + heatsinks
line to:
clean power - any wattage between 20-20,000

I'm trying to keep it simple and avoid the extra tonestack and/or mandate that the second amp is 100w. But, that'll work, too....



Do those Guytron amps sound good? Anyone?

They did sound very good. (Guytron) I had one when the first came out and the 2X12 cab. The cab sucked.
At the time I thought the amp was compressed. So did others, hence Guytron changed the later amps to give you a variable choice of how compressed it felt.

Reflecting back, that "hitting a wall" tone is very desireable.
I saw some old vid I did with the Guytron and even the clean channels was an AWESOME pedal base.

i didn't appreciate the amp when I had it unfortunately. There was a vid of Landau w/ Seal using a Guytron.

Speaking of Landau, he reamped as well.
According to Ed D , who played a show back in '91 with Burning Water, Mike had a Marshall into a Holdsworth Harness, then into H&H power amps. of course some rack stuff in between for delay and verb, and some pedals out front.

I put up the whole Burning Water show from '91 and its a great example of reamping tone, only with a Strat. This Strat tone is among my fav Strat tones I ever heard-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-1RPw27A8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bNkbwO-RJw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ey5AXeyujg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVyQw0pe1RA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHaFnWeryVY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q9SBym4Xvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvK6R_P2dyM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ3TP875Yyo

[45auto]

bright cap! ok. i am coming out of the line out on the UA, then using the reamp to take it back to guitar level.