How low can we go? LOL

[jnew]

You are exactly right Rob. It is a shade warmer. So interestingly, we can eliminate tubes for sure. I can hypothesiz that the 100K in the NFB, would bring a a tad of brightness in, as amps typically get a little hairier or cracklier. OH WAIT I mean Alka-Seltzier But otherwise, it's just the nature of differences between the types of trannies, or Mustards vs. Mallories, or Iskra's vs. Radio Shack or SS rectifier vs. GZ-34 or any combination thereof. You guys get the point but clearly two pretty different DNA strands using stock 12 series layout getting super close results to one another. I did try to make the recorded louder than Ed's track so that it was plenty legible but, I can see if panning the VH track might drop out a lot of Ed's guitars since he's dominant on one side.

Phil, I think this forum has lost a lot of fire in vintage VH tone section but hey, we don't really care. There are those who enjoy the ride and appreciate the learning curve. Then there are those who want the quick answers. They may get lucky but it's something that actually takes some time and attention, as we know.

[jnew]

Hey this actually worked pretty well. I panned the VH track which ducked Ed's guitars so this amp is pretty much all that's being heard. Ed's solo parts seem to be centered so that you will hear. I kept the volume of the amp track a little on the high side so nothing is masked. (Not necessarily a good thing ) This may be dangerous to say but if this was laid to tape with all the same stuff at Sunset Sound and "those guys" it might just pass off. IDK but maybe? But I've thought that about clips I've hear from all you guys. And BTW, I mean Ed's playing with this tone. Not my playing.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_so ... D=13252404

[guitar007]

Simply fantastic! Are you using a master volume to achieve the gain or are you just pushing the front with an EQ?

[jnew]

Thanks bro. No master. Just plain old 4 hole NMV. Both amps are VOL I on 5. No more gain is needed and the tone just doesn't stay "right", for lack of better words, when it goes above 5 or 6. And this is the case on both my amps, as well as Mightmike's 68, 12369 head. At least to my ears. The 6 band is in use here because the amp is running at around 65VAC. Between 75VAC and 90VAC, no EQ needed as it has plenty enough gain at those voltages.

[guitar007]

Amazing. I was under the impression these clips were done at low volume. 'Great tone!

[jnew]

Well, it just got better. I was dickin around on the internet and came across some info on how to make modern SM-57's sound more like the vintage ones from the 70's, by removing the transformers inside them. Only took like 5 minutes to boil it out and re-wire it back together. I'm sure you guys are as tired of hearing this same clip, as I am playing it but since we have all apples to apples things going here, and the mic stand never moved, I thought I would share. Gone is an annoying sort of high/mid peak thing that quacked subtly, but annoyingly. Now I feel like I'm hearing the amp recorded, as it sounds in the room waaaayyyy more. HUGE improvement.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_so ... D=13252523

[laneychris]

More low end .. did you use a microphone preamp?

[jnew]

I read how to do it and it's super simple But the article said that there are video's on it so you can check YouTube. It's just two wires at the Diaphragm end and two wires at the XLR connection. Between the Diaphragm and XLR plug is where the transformer is glued inside the body. Just disconnect the two wires at each end and boil the body until the glues melts and the transformer will just pull right out. Then reconnect the XLR plug straight to the Diaphragm with two new wires (mind your polarities) and your done. Wonderful improvement IMO.

[jnew]

I don't have much in the way of recording stuff. Just the SM-57 straight to a PreSonus interface, into an iMac.

[rgalpin]

this is so cool. i wish i had time right now to join in - but since i don't... something you could try - because this tone is so right on that it makes me want to hear it in the correct setting production wise - something i did before that you could try is: take the stereo track from the record and bring it into your timeline of whatever you are using as a DAW - manipulate the track (however makes sense in your interface) to eliminate the left side completely. then use the right side as a mono track. with that, you can pan your guitar over to the left where we are all "trained" to hear ed's tone. listen in headphones comparing it to the album to try and pinpoint the panning of his guitar exactly - it really helps in making a critical comparison. i really would love to hear your tone in this setup jnew!

[jnew]

Ahhh, yeah yeah. I get it. Actually that's what I sort of did but I just didn't swing my guitar back over to Ed's original side. I'm on it.

[jnew]

Ok, I need some help. When I'm in Garage Band, I can take the VH track and pan it so that Ed's guitars are out. But all the other stuff ends up on one side. Is there a way I can duplicate this panned, or edited track, create a new on and center all that stuff so that we basically have a new track without guitars. I've been trying to figure out how to do this. As it is now, I can lay the amp track in but then it's all the way on one side and the rest of the music is all the way on the other. It sounds good but too far apart, so to speak.

[jnew]

Never mind, I figured it out. Basically just sent the edited panned VH track to iTunes. Then brought it back in mono and voila. Had all the music minus Ed's guitars, for the most part. Then just laid the amp in to taste. I didn't play with it much but with this whole other approach, it could be dialed better with some time. Me likes.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_so ... D=13252750

[laneychris]

I dig it wished I would've had the extra variac for friday nights gig I really like your clip!

[rgalpin]

Never mind, I figured it out. Basically just sent the edited panned VH track to iTunes. Then brought it back in mono and voila. Had all the music minus Ed's guitars, for the most part. Then just laid the amp in to taste. I didn't play with it much but with this whole other approach, it could be dialed better with some time. Me likes.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_so ... D=13252750

oh ho my goodness - that is just sick. nice job with the production aspect putting it right in the familiar context - that is crazy...