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Jose Load Box specifics

Post by ampSnob » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:16 am

The regular line out scheme is great but I can't help but wonder if using a transformer like in the Jose load box colors the tone at all (searching for that elusive sizzle) I'm starting to build one of these so here is what I came up with reverse engineering from the pics :

http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php ... a&start=51

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Possibility 1:
                       *\ switch? on pot
V---------\-----------*  *-------------------8||8-------------\
 speaker   /                                  8||8             /<--*--------V
 jack      \-arcol 16ohm                      8||8-transformer \   /68k (x2)
 from amp  / resistor 200watt (load)          8||8 (gnds tied) /   \
          \                                  8||8             \   /    output jacks
O---------/----------------------------------8||8-------------/---*--------O
                                          |_______|       250k pot        
                                               |
                                              ||| ground


Possibility 2:
                       *\ switch? on pot              250k pot only 2 lugs used
V---------\-----------*  *-------------------8||8-------------\/\/\/\/\
 speaker   /                                  8||8                 ^
 jack      \-arcol 16ohm                      8||8-transformer     |--*--------V
 from amp  / resistor 200watt (load)          8||8 (gnds tied)        \
          \                                  8||8                    /
          /                                  8||8             68k(x2)\  output jacks
O---------\----------------------------------8||8--------------------*--------O
                                          |_______|              
                                               |
                                              ||| ground
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In both scenarios the secondary load gets changed as you adjust the 250k line out pot but one way it gets bigger and the other it gets smaller. It's hard to tell what's going on with the pot wiring wise. I have a couple of questions, Anybody in the know (Mark?) who could provide the specifics, I would be forever in your debt. Here goes:

1) Are either of these correct? or even close?
2) are the 68k resistors on the switch lugs of the output jacks or are the always in the circuit?
2) Is the pot a Push Pull type or a on/off type? It looks like there's definitely a switch on the back that the green wire goes through.
3) What kind of transformer is it? Any identifying marks? ratio? I'm asking here because it looks small enough that the 20 or so volts coming out of a dimed plexi could probably distort it a bit so it's power handling might be important tonally.


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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by IloveMyMarshall » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:23 pm

Good luck getting that answer on the tranformer used! I even called MarkC himself and Nope didn't get it! I got a e mail dave lol dave aint here man! lmao 2+ hours on the damn phone and still didn't get that answer! oh E mailed Dave months ago still nuttin, guess they don't want to share that piece of info!! You are on your own! 30 years later and still top freekin secret lol! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by RACKSYSTEMS » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:20 am

Thats because you emailed the wrong Dave you should have emailed Racksystems@yahoo.com. As far as I can tell it is a 600 ohm to 10k transformer with the 600 ohm on the load side. But who cares that is not the magic anyway. When Jose put line outs in amps they had no transformers. Dave Friedman
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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by IloveMyMarshall » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:13 am

RACKSYSTEMS wrote:Thats because you emailed the wrong Dave you should have emailed Racksystems@yahoo.com. As far as I can tell it is a 600 ohm to 10k transformer with the 600 ohm on the load side. But who cares that is not the magic anyway. When Jose put line outs in amps they had no transformers. Dave Friedman
Oh I e mailed you here on this forum brother??? I'm the same guy that asked about that secret gain stage, the same one that was done on S Stevens Marshall, the last I heard you said you would fax it the info to me that was two months ago not trying to be a smart ass here stating facts that's all my friend!

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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by dazzlindino » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:10 pm

RACKSYSTEMS wrote: But who cares that is not the magic anyway. When Jose put line outs in amps they had no transformers. Dave Friedman
And Just what might this magic be kind sir?
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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by T.J.Fuller » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:45 pm

RACKSYSTEMS wrote:As far as I can tell it is a 600 ohm to 10k transformer with the 600 ohm on the load side. But who cares that is not the magic anyway. When Jose put line outs in amps they had no transformers. Dave Friedman
I was doing some line-out homework a year ago- I didn't know about the Jose box -but, I was really exploring Radial Engineering's Direct Box technology as far as taping signals from amps for slaving or for other uses.Radial uses Jensen Transformers w/ the same 600/ 10 k set up.

There is also some schematics and great reading in the white papers section.left side of the page link.

http://www.jensen-transformers.com/ln_out.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The JT-10k61-1m transformer is probably close to the same as the Jose one.
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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by rmroza » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:21 am

This thread is from 2008, but thought I'd chime in as there have been some updates since then.

Dave Friedman suggested the load box is not a part of the magic. I disagree.

Listen to Ossie Ashen's video where we re-created a Jose load box with line level transformer and output and all of the other videos from Ossie and you will hear the exact overdriven sizzle that is in the original recordings and isolation tracks!!

The transformer used in these videos is a Jensen 6110K. They were discontinued a couple years ago. You can get Jensen to make them, but at a premium ($170 to 200 each). I have been looking and recently found a pair for sale, so bought them! They should be in Tuesday and I'll be making a load box based on Ossie's design, but putting in a rotary switch, so can set the load at 4, 8, 16, and 24. Ossie set his at 25! Not sure why. Maybe that's what the original was?!??

I may put in the Mute circuit also as Mark Cameron had is his Jose Load Box video. The tone is not as good as the Ossie videos, but probably for a myriad of reasons, like differences in rig setup and cabinet and impedances and load circuit. Likewise, you HAVE to use NOS Big Bottle 6CA7s. If using EL34s, you'll never get the tone right. Different tube. Different characteristics.

The cool thing about Mark's video is he explains in detail that Ed's had a 3-way switch on it and was hooked up or could be to different amps! Soo, there is some valuable information communicated in this video also.

I look forward to getting the parts Tuesday and building up my pair of Load Boxes next weekend!! It's disclaimed in these videos also, that these units and if use improperly have been known to destroy your Output Transformers! So, let it be known and heed the warning. As Ossie communicated, I'm using a circuit that will handle 3-4x the power of the amp, so hopefully, that will help ensure proper operation and life.

Enjoy and Merry Christmas!

ref: Jose Load Box Construction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMhe8_EbVOw&t=1040s
ref: Playing thru the Load Box (check out 4:45 in and when he brings up the preamp!) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHDg5wdC_c&t=342s
ref: Mark Cameron Jose Load Box - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK0oehBMrfw&t=17s
ref: Jensen JT-6110K-B Datasheet - https://www.jensen-transformers.com/wp- ... 110k-b.pdf

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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by PLX » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:34 pm

After building many of these over the past 10 years, it's preferable to construct a reactive load - rather than a purely resistive load.

I originally build mine using the Jensen JT-6110K-B audio transformer, but now I'm using the Jensen JT-11-FL as it's a suitable replacement in this circuit. Much less expensive and easier to find, as well.

schematic: https://i.imgur.com/MXMORBG.jpg

completed gutshots:

https://i.imgur.com/rnsEusM.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/N7JSGIX.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/tRLzp7f.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/pIAIMEZ.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/ZpDRdMH.jpg?1

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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by neskor » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:30 am

Another vote for reactive load vs pure resistive load.
You can check schematic for Suhr Reactive Load here:
https://www.freestompboxes.org/viewtopic.php?t=30764

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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by Robocop101985 » Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:09 pm

PLX wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:34 pm
After building many of these over the past 10 years, it's preferable to construct a reactive load - rather than a purely resistive load.

I originally build mine using the Jensen JT-6110K-B audio transformer, but now I'm using the Jensen JT-11-FL as it's a suitable replacement in this circuit. Much less expensive and easier to find, as well.

schematic: https://i.imgur.com/MXMORBG.jpg

completed gutshots:

https://i.imgur.com/rnsEusM.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/N7JSGIX.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/tRLzp7f.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/pIAIMEZ.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/ZpDRdMH.jpg?1

VH soundclips:
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14683248
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14663469
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14662153

Any chance you have a build journal for that? Lol

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Re: Jose Load Box specifics

Post by PLX » Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:19 pm

Robocop101985 wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:09 pm
Any chance you have a build journal for that? Lol
That pretty much sums up my post.. which you quoted. LoL!
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