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Slaving a Plexi Project

Post by rockstah » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:10 pm

so lets see what we can figure out with slaving amps.

in the clip is a plexi spec loaded with a Marshall power brake - line out box is plugged in the second speaker jack. - from the line out box to a second plexi spec amp that is wired poweramp in ( goes straight from v1 into the Phase inverter )

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i did use the ge10 in front of the loaded plexi spec amp. used my strat with super distortion that i swapped out the ceramic magnet for a A5 magnet.
sorry for sloppiness. ;)

what do u hear? does it sound close? whats it missing? any suggestions on the setup or spec?

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Re: Slaving a Plexi Project

Post by hammered » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:31 pm

Now I know why the Super Distortion with an A5 is my fave pickup at the moment. Great playing

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Re: Slaving a Plexi Project

Post by dstroud » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:49 pm

sounds great man! Hey, I've got some Dimarzio Super Distiortions laying around - how does one go about changing the magnet and where whould I get an A5 magnet? TIA!
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Post by rockstah » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:19 pm

dstroud wrote:sounds great man! Hey, I've got some Dimarzio Super Distiortions laying around - how does one go about changing the magnet and where whould I get an A5 magnet? TIA!
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Re: Slaving a Plexi Project

Post by laneychris » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:49 pm

I think your in the ballpark seriously if you where to position the flange and echoplex into play it would be SPOT! :wink:

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Post by jerrydyer » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:53 pm

Your the Nicolai Tesla of the 21st century. Your like Doctor Frankenstein if he had graduated from Marshall University Cold Fusion Division.
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Post by rockstah » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:55 pm

:lol: yer killing me over here! :lol:

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Post by jerrydyer » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:06 pm

I guess my ears arent as refined as most cause it sounds just like it to me. All the nuances are there to me. That killer growl sounds so alive. Its a perfect tone and probably feel. So you just goose it a tad by using v1a straight into P.I. ? cool very cool.
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Re: Slaving a Plexi Project

Post by rockstah » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:10 pm

basically wired a effects return into the amp. used v1a as the return side of the loop ( poweramp in )and then form there straight into the PI.

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Post by IloveMyMarshall » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:15 pm

Ok what did you do to the second amp? Explain, you bypassed what to what v1 to PI?? Jesus man what can one say about your clips bro honestly??? I love that fking tone!!! and that Super Distortion W/V simply kicks ass! And hey whats up with the chops there buddy> you only been playing this shit 20 years now LOL I have bust your balls man!! To my ears sound great but what the hell do I know wait for Stan he will drill ya LOL

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Post by jerrydyer » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:59 pm

why is that 47k i think before that plate res. ? dropping b+? you hear any change from that? thanx
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Re: Slaving a Plexi Project

Post by kiddangerous » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:06 pm

those clips are great. I have been checking out the history of this message board and you are a giant. your efforts in modifications and tweaks are unmatched. I have to give you major props and respect.

this being said, what sound are you going for?

personally, I think you have the live tone spot-on. slaving amps was an effective way to route the guitar throughout the stadium without the frequency losses and sound bleed presented by a microphone. but I don't think slaving was done in the studio. there was no need. your tone is much more saturated than the album versions (not to say I'm doing much better but...). I can't really dissect it exactly but if you do an A/B I know it wouldn't come up exact. so to ask again, which sound do you want, then we can give better analysis based on the comparison.

either way, it is still an awesome tone.

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Post by rockstah » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:17 pm

kiddangerous wrote:those clips are great. I have been checking out the history of this message board and you are a giant. your efforts in modifications and tweaks are unmatched. I have to give you major props and respect.

this being said, what sound are you going for?

personally, I think you have the live tone spot-on. slaving amps was an effective way to route the guitar throughout the stadium without the frequency losses and sound bleed presented by a microphone. but I don't think slaving was done in the studio. there was no need. your tone is much more saturated than the album versions (not to say I'm doing much better but...). I can't really dissect it exactly but if you do an A/B I know it wouldn't come up exact. so to ask again, which sound do you want, then we can give better analysis based on the comparison.

either way, it is still an awesome tone.
thank you man.
first off i do believe that the first album had this setup going on ( slaved plexi ) and i don't think it was much different then his early live boots. the difference between the two, i think, is in the recording. produced and random Mic's live.
i do hear in this sound vh1 and it is what I'm going for. listen to the dance the night away riff - it sounds pretty spot on but then again i have just begun to tweak the power amp in and this whole setup.

the purpose of the thread is to get feedback ,and or any ideas or suggestions,which i appreciate as well as share the info i find along the way.
lets see how the sound improves to wards my goal as i try some stuff. ;)

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Post by rockstah » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:18 pm

jerrydyer wrote:why is that 47k i think before that plate res. ? dropping b+? you hear any change from that? thanx
yes there is a drop and yes it sounds different - less head room - I'm about to try 100k there instead so stay tuned. ;)

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Post by rockstah » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:24 pm

IloveMyMarshall wrote:Ok what did you do to the second amp? Explain, you bypassed what to what v1 to PI?? Jesus man what can one say about your clips bro honestly??? I love that fking tone!!! and that Super Distortion W/V simply kicks ass! And hey whats up with the chops there buddy> you only been playing this shit 20 years now LOL I have bust your balls man!! To my ears sound great but what the hell do I know wait for Stan he will drill ya LOL

Excellent!!
:D im wating for stan and whom ever to tear it apart - i depend on it. ;)

looking at an effects loop i took the return portion of it and wired it into v1a then straight from that tube into the in of the phase inverter - so you can look at this setup as if i had an amp with an effects loop and plugged the line out of a loaded plexi into its return.

oh and uh....i put the mistake in on purpose so you would know it wasn't the original recording of dance the night. ;) :lol: NOT! ;).... and its been 30 years ;) :lol:

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