Re: VH 10 June 1977 boot and Ed's gear
Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:11 pm
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Strat 78 both the JB and custom were sold in zebra back then(1977-78) but also eddie may have taken a zebra Gibson PAF to duncan to have rewound to the customs spec.Strat78 wrote:I don't know, the zebra in the black Franky looks like it has those little holes unlike the MM's that don't. Who ells was making zebra pickups back then. My JB from 79 is a zebra. One thing I do know is that at least on the first album you can hear the strings bottoming out on the pickup in both the strat and the Destroyer. As much as I love the aggression of Ceramics, I don't think it would be possible for the pickup to be that close to the strings with a powerful ceramic mag.
Yeah looks like he did use the 78 on VH I afterall read next post.Tone Slinger wrote:I was listening to some of the old bootlegs along with the Warner demo's and noticed that when Ed rolled back the volume on his strat that it cleans up ( 2 gain stage plexi will clean up regardless of the pickup), BUT, still has a raspy type haze to it. Compare that to the boots from later (rewound paf )on and his sound cleans up better on the guitars volume.
This would obviously lend weight to the Zebra as being a MM, and more than likely a 1300. There was a thread a few years back where Leadguy declared the zebra a MM. He noted two or three reasons why by its appearance.
would love to see that pic and i can see eddie doing that when the strat got the makeover to black with stripes.Strat78 wrote:There is one early pic that shows the black wearing off of a bobbin on one of Ed's humbuckers. I think it was Frankenstraat that pointed it out (too bad he went to the dark side, he had a good eye). So, perhaps the double black was the zebra originally.
Why not what? I'm confused. Are you saying that 1) Ed used a stock PAF, 2) Ed used a "rewound PAF" to 9 ish K -- Duncan '78, or 3) the PAF was rewound to 13k as a Duncan Custom.wjamflan wrote:Why not Roger....rgorke wrote:I'd say VH1 is more the Duncan Custom and Vh2 is the '78 model.
If it doesn't matter, a whole lot of people have gone through a whole lot of of trouble to call Ed and everyone else who says re-wound PAF liars, etc.rgorke wrote:Having said that, does it really matter if we can prove one way or the other.
Only if you don't believe Ed....rgorke wrote:Determining or arguing about what pickup exactly was in Sunset #1, we will never know.
I do own two original PAF's a 1961 and a 1958, the '61 has a alnico 5(by 1960 gibson was using just A5) and the '58 has a A2Strat78 wrote:EJSLplexi, if memory serves, you have a couple of original PAF's, it would be cool to hear one in this application. I have some old 70's Duncan paf copies, I'll give one a try this week again. I also have the 78 that would be fun to brake out, might put a pickup cover on it and see if that gets the Destroyer more in the zone. Still intrigued by the #1400 at this point. Just like Ralle's experience, they are harder to play, but the tone is just ferocious!
yeah he confused the crap out of me too! He never specified what PAF he was talking aboutrgorke wrote:Why not what? I'm confused. Are you saying that 1) Ed used a stock PAF, 2) Ed used a "rewound PAF" to 9 ish K -- Duncan '78, or 3) the PAF was rewound to 13k as a Duncan Custom.wjamflan wrote:Why not Roger....rgorke wrote:I'd say VH1 is more the Duncan Custom and Vh2 is the '78 model.
If it doesn't matter, a whole lot of people have gone through a whole lot of of trouble to call Ed and everyone else who says re-wound PAF liars, etc.rgorke wrote:Having said that, does it really matter if we can prove one way or the other.
Only if you don't believe Ed....rgorke wrote:Determining or arguing about what pickup exactly was in Sunset #1, we will never know.
I think any of those would fit into exactly what Ed said. I think all of those could get one to Vh1 or Vh2 tone depending on use or lack of use of an EQ. I believe the TT thinks he is remembering things the way he describes them. Ed also said he destroyed PAFs wax potting them. Did he destroy one that Seymour rewound? Or stock.
That doesn't seem to be too difficult since you responded to my specifying which PAF I was talking about (see below).EJSLPlexi wrote:yeah he confused the crap out of me too! He never specified what PAF he was talking about
EJSLPlexi wrote:The 78 is at 9K and i dont think that pu is on VH I at all.wjamflan wrote:
Ed said he had the PAF in Franky re-wound before recording VH I. He said he liked the way the re-wound PAFs sounded on the record. As for the spec - A2 Gibson 335 PAF re-wound by SD to @ 9.85K (aka the Evenly Voiced Harmonics wind)
The old duncan 13.6K custom is much more likely for the first record with the 78 being used on VH II.
the 78 does not have the in your face aggressiveness to be the pu on VH I.
The duncan custom is right in between a 78 and dsd or MM1300 tone/power wise
Roger - Ed said he recorded VH I with a PAF in Franky that was taken from his Gibson 335 and re-wound beforehand by a pro in Santa Barbara (SD). We've discussed it many times before. Your confusion comes from your time here with all of the great clips of folks getting convincing tones with other pickups/setups. The "why not" was my way of throwing up my hands.rgorke wrote:Why not what? I'm confused. Are you saying that 1) Ed used a stock PAF, 2) Ed used a "rewound PAF" to 9 ish K -- Duncan '78, or 3) the PAF was rewound to 13k as a Duncan Custom.wjamflan wrote:Why not Roger....rgorke wrote:I'd say VH1 is more the Duncan Custom and Vh2 is the '78 model.
If it doesn't matter, a whole lot of people have gone through a whole lot of of trouble to call Ed and everyone else who says re-wound PAF liars, etc.rgorke wrote:Having said that, does it really matter if we can prove one way or the other.
Only if you don't believe Ed....rgorke wrote:Determining or arguing about what pickup exactly was in Sunset #1, we will never know.
I think any of those would fit into exactly what Ed said. I think all of those could get one to Vh1 or Vh2 tone depending on use or lack of use of an EQ. I believe the TT thinks he is remembering things the way he describes them. Ed also said he destroyed PAFs wax potting them. Did he destroy one that Seymour rewound? Or stock.