Kemper Profiling Amplifier

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by mightymike » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:42 pm

With all do respect, this isn't subjective. SS just doesn't push through the mix. So even if it nailed the dynamics ( which has never happened yet), it would still have those problems with Physics. I hope one day someone is able to figure out how to overcome this limitation of SS. Maybe this will succeed where all others have failed, and tube amps will become obsolete.
Anyone who's played along side a loud out front style bass player knows what I'm talking about. Even 230 watts of SS got lost in the mix. The cure: 100 watt Superlead... I never looked back.

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by 7string » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:08 pm

I have one and love it. The jury is still out on whether it can do the true brown sound or not. I've been working at it for three months. It's still missing a little squawk. But it's pretty f-n close. Plug it in to the computer and ad some plugin eq/comp and it sounds like album tone to me.

It all boils down to how well you record the cab. The A/B during the profiling is exact. It's not as easy as just throwing up a 57. Lot's of trial and error experiments needed with mic positioning and room placement. Maybe even a 2nd mic mixed in. The built in mic pre does seem capable enough.

The cool thing is the limitations are all still mostly me not the machine.

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by stef » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:30 am

When will they invent a guitar playing robot :popcorn:

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by 7string » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:35 pm

Someone already has invented one. :)

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by motrock » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:09 pm

Just wanted to let you guys know that I have this unit and its freaking amazing. Sounds and FEELS like a real amp. Feels like a tube amp too me. I can't tell the difference. This is mainly for recording I think. I would never use it live. Its great because you can profile your amp and have that cranked amp tone at 10pm without waking up the neighbors. Just throw on some headphones and start recording.

The biggest issue I have with it is that the Kemper is only as good as a person is with micing up an amp. So; if you go to a professional recording studio with it, you will get a professional sounding profile. If you suck at micing an amp... it will suck. Plain and simple. I have had it for about 5 months now and I am really getting the hang of it.

I plan on getting the original EVH tone in this unit at some point. I have been to 2 studios locally and I can get a better tone at home with my mic pre and 1 mic. I want to rent some gear to really take this all the way!

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by jnew » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:12 am

stef wrote:When will they invent a guitar playing robot :popcorn:
I've always kind of though Ed was inhuman myself. :lol:
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Post by jerrydyer » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:06 pm

why buy it at all, in a couple years it will be on a CD and you can run the program from your laptop to the club sound system or whatever. that ugly little robot will be obsolete in 2 years. aside from the solid state power section it is not an amp at. its a modelor they are just calling it by a different name. its a computer program. IT WILL DEFINATELY BE ON A CD SOON. or whatever medium we are using then.
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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by motrock » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:15 am

jerrydyer wrote:why buy it at all, in a couple years it will be on a CD and you can run the program from your laptop to the club sound system or whatever. that ugly little robot will be obsolete in 2 years. aside from the solid state power section it is not an amp at. its a modelor they are just calling it by a different name. its a computer program. IT WILL DEFINATELY BE ON A CD SOON. or whatever medium we are using then.
I have the unit. Its NOT a modeler. Its a sampler. Model you create the sound from a computer and program it. Sampling actually copies all the frequencies. Believe me, this unit works VERY well. I have blown away 3 different studio engineers with it.

I am going to be doing my own profiles in a few weeks. I am short one mic. Gonna buy a Seinnheiser 421. I am borrowing a good Mackie 8 channel mixer, a floor monitor, and a bunch of cables in order to do this. And I have an engineer friend that has another mic pre and he's going to help me. Not having enough gear sucks!!

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Post by jerrydyer » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:59 pm

I know it does a good job but my point to people is this ,, aside from the power section, there is nothing in there that cant be put on a CD and accompanied with a small card for you laptop. thats their next step, ten all the dudes with the ugly robot will be pissed.
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Post by jerrydyer » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:00 pm

mightymike wrote:With all do respect, this isn't subjective. SS just doesn't push through the mix. So even if it nailed the dynamics ( which has never happened yet), it would still have those problems with Physics. I hope one day someone is able to figure out how to overcome this limitation of SS. Maybe this will succeed where all others have failed, and tube amps will become obsolete.
Anyone who's played along side a loud out front style bass player knows what I'm talking about. Even 230 watts of SS got lost in the mix. The cure: 100 watt Superlead... I never looked back.

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by SteadyEddie » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:09 pm

Seems like if it wanted to be an accurate sampler, it would specify one particular mic. And the EQ curve of the sampler would be based around that mic's EQ curve. Otherwise the sample is "colored" by the inherent tone of the mic.

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by motrock » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:00 pm

SteadyEddie wrote:Seems like if it wanted to be an accurate sampler, it would specify one particular mic. And the EQ curve of the sampler would be based around that mic's EQ curve. Otherwise the sample is "colored" by the inherent tone of the mic.
Thats the idea. You want the color. This unit is made for a studio. It was never really intended to be played live. The idea is to get everything miced up and get the sound you want in the studio. You profile it with the Kemper then you have that sound for future recordings; or if you have to go back and redo the part. You want the colored sound from those mics the the mic pres. Thats the studio character! How many times do you go in to a studio and things sound different the next day because of a blown tube or something else. This cures that! Besides, you can put headphones on and set this thing on your coffee table to practice. Neighbors will never have to be bothered.

The Kemper is not intended to be an amp replacement by any means. They give you the option of using a power amp with it to play live. But most professionals out there keep it in the studio. Thats what its for!

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by jerrydyer » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:07 pm

If that is the case, and I do beleive it is, then why cant, with the addition of a small soundcard of sorts, cant the program be put on a cd. Now you dont even need the physical device at all. I know it will be. NO DOUBT. so many dudes getting all upset about that. so many dudes using it outside of the means it was made. so many dudes buying it for the wrong reasons. In a couple years, Ill get a better computer and the kemper profiling stuff will be available on a cd and smaller interface about the size of the prosonus stuff etc. Just my toughts, no reason for any little kids kids to get upset right???
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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by SteadyEddie » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:59 pm

I agree, that eventually someone will come up with a program. Eventually you will be able to use a tablet like an ipad, buy an interface for it, and it will handle all of the functions except for the amplification.

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Re: Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Post by vanhalen5150 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:04 pm

SteadyEddie wrote:I agree, that eventually someone will come up with a program. Eventually you will be able to use a tablet like an ipad, buy an interface for it, and it will handle all of the functions except for the amplification.
I'm surprised that hasnt already been done. At least with the interface part. It would be great to use an Ipad like that.
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