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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:27 pm

I think the supro speaker is a step in the right direction. Now I need to get the top end happening ...

For my next trick I removed the crappy 5" speaker and inserted a........... tweeter!! YAY ...WTF?

So now I have the rig going into

a supro speaker, mic sm58
a jbl d-120 sm7
celestion tweeter of some type also on the sm7 cutting across the jbls path

There are a couple a secs of noodling to see how it works for vh1... after all- this is a thread trying to nail the jamies crying sound off vh1....... but I went off track and go into a version of dance the night away... just to see what it would end up like. :what:

Anhoo here be the clippy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/da ... upro-jbl-5



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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:00 pm

TheTeddy is tired.... so this is the last one...

its feel your love with the supro/ tweeter and a new set of mic placements... I think this is my fav sound Ive come up with

Clip>>>>>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/fe ... on-tweeter

Been a fun day... hope you had fun too....

Thanks for stopping by :)

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:43 am

Good morning to all. :) Thanks for letting me do this here I know its your home first and Im the new guy... :) I mean that. And its not my intention to become a problem for anyone. That said..

Ive got the soldering iron out and I'm busy making something I hope will be fun!!! More on that later if it pans out.

....While Ive got the iron out Im putting my old Mighty Mite 1300 into another strat :D ... fresh strings too unfortunately :( so it might be a tad bright.... not sure.... I think that the 1300 might help with the last of the nasal mid issue and im willing to sacrifice a great sounding set of old strings for the experiment. Ive been using a t-top with a mag from a Super D up to this point.

Also---I got to thinking that if I take this clip>>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/te ... ro-speaker <<<<<<< and scoop and squish the track with a la2a and put a "plate verb only signal" on the other side of the mix I might get closer. The ice from the verb might just scoop out those mids... But Im kinda reluctant.

I dont have a la2a close by and I dont want any post production bs on these clips... just a mic into my scarlett and into the mac. I am using some verb but its a tc HOF and its not added in post .. its in the primary signal.

See Im trying not use use anything that was not available to Ed in the 70s.. I know the HOF is new but its just an EMT algo... and the echorec is an echoplex algo... if you have ever seen an emt its pretty big!!! And we all know echoplexes are a nightmare. These pedals are actually pretty good approximations...

I want this to be an exercise that does not revolve around technology and its "progress". Sure there are lots of things like the kemper and sampling thingies that are cool, but I prefer the REAL thing. I know you do too.


Thanks for stopping by!! Clips to come :wink:

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:09 pm

Hello to all!!

I have just finished sniffing some solder and I recorded this clip with the results.

I modded the phase 90.................again :roll: , this time to freeze at a particular point. Its now very unique boost pedal.

The clip is a basic rig check, like you might do before a gig... guitar volume rollbacks , turning on/off pedals, full goose bozo, just getting a feel for how the tube gnomes treated your gear while you were sleeping on the bus.

Reason to listen>>>>>>The phase 90 different now and I LIKE it.

Clip>>>>>>>>https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/su ... heck-supro

Thanks for stoping by!!

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:57 am

Hi!

Well a GIANT electrical storm came through my little part of the world yesterday... just after recording that last warm up.

As soon as I heard the first zap in my headphones I ran to the wall and disconnected all my gear from the grid.. I have been hit by lightening before (my structure anyway) and I dont need my gear destroyed again.... not taking any chances.

I tried to wait it out but it never stopped... so I used my time elsewhere.

I started building another duplicate amplifier to the one I am using. I want to try a few ideas and see if they pan out. I dont want to change the current one (for reference) so I must build another.

Keep checking back if this peaks your interest as there certainly is more to come :)

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:36 am

Hi!

I was thinking about the concept of relative frequency and psychoacoustic techniques as they apply to the recording and mastering of an album such as vh1. My thoughts are hard to relate but I will take a shot.... just scratching the surface

Recording a song is very much like taking a photograph.

Composition is everything, the subject of the photo must be lit and set in the photograph to draw the eye to that subject. The surrounding field must in some way support and modify the subject to an end.

Recording is no different, the subject of the recording must be placed in context of its surroundings. Brighter sounds tend to be more up front, and the darker sounds tend to exist on the periphery. What we want to emphasize is bright and what we want in support is darker.

Now the periphery of an audio composition contains the harmonics relative to the subject that fill out the sound. For instance a keyboard or bass guitar or a vocal can be placed in the mix to complement the subject of the recording, and to the ear they all seen to smear together to create a wall of sound. Separate they may not hold up.

With Van Halen 1 EVH is definitively the subject of that album. He is bright and upfront. The rest of the band occupies the remaining frequencies, adding harmonic support to that Bright guitar sound. There is some overlap, but that just adds more to the sauce.

During mastering the eq of all the different tracks are moved around in real time to change where the emphasis is located. Evh may fade back a little in a track to make room for roths vocal... Conflict between DLR and EVH????Nahh Now your chasing a moving target... EVHs guitar gets brighter and darker depending on what was needed... it still sounds like eddie though... WHY????

The photography analogy is again useful. Like using the exposure tool in photoshop to just darken an image, the image is still recognizable as the original after the adjustment. Why??? Because the relative difference between the light and dark pixels still form the image. All those pixels are scaled equally, so they can still form that original image.


EVHs trademark VH1 guitar sound comes from its relationships between the frequencies within its bandwidth. These are unique, and were the result of the waveform his rig created when mic'd a certain way.

This waveform can be moved up and down the audio spectrum, like an analogue code and remain the same; and like how the light bounced off a subjects face and entered a lens, the shape of his sound , the waveform was locked in at the console when the track was recorded, just like with a photo. Fundamentally altering it would be difficult at best.

Is his sound bright or is it dark???? Both!!! just depends.....

Something only appears bright when there is something dark to compare it to.

If you were to take V1 and play it on your stereo with the treble rolled off guess what?? It still sounds like VH1!! Why???? The relationship between all the waveforms remains the same, that never really changes, so it still sounds recognizable as that album... it has the right fingerprints.. as they were locked in at the console.

When mastering an album for particular media (say AM radio????? like in the 70's) You may want to move the whole kit to the right and up the frequency pole to make it sound better to the end listener in his pontiac firebird. Now the track still sounds right due to the fact that relationship between the frequencies that comprise the sound (like pixels ) remain more or less the same. It just is brighter.

Compounding that is psychoacoustics, the fact that the brain interprets the impulses it gets from the ear, and modifies them to suit its needs.

The brain is constantly struggling to make sense of the world and it tries to modify things to help it complete its tasks.

Try wearing ear plugs for an extended uninterrupted period and see what happens, your brain compensates. When you take them off look out!! Its lIke taking off your sunglasses at the beach!!! The good part is that soon the brain compensates and brings the light level back into a range it can interpret. Sound is no different.

Just a thought,

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:38 am

Hi all,

I have been busy with many new ideas.. the solder has been flowing.

This next clip utilizes a vintage Eventide 949 harmonizer with the anti glitch ... its set at unity pitch and is in the signal chain just after the mic. It seems to smooth things out more.

The setup is exactly the same before the mic. You can hear a change for sure...

Here is the clip>>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/july-28-harmonizer

Regards,

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More to follow.....

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by rgalpin » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:13 pm

in this latest clip, you are still using the Phase 90 frozen at one point in the sweep?

in this latest clip, the vowel sound when you do bend up to the F# on the A string and then fall back down to that smoldering D at the 5th fret. that is darned convincing in my ears! nice. you did it once and i thought - hmm lucky the fingers must have landed "just so" but then you did it like 4 times in a row. LOL! very nice man. :rock:

some of the earlier clips weren't as warm as i think the VH I tone is - but this is getting warmer - the frozen Phase 90 and now whatever you are doing in this last clip - still a little cold in the verb EQ but overall getting warmer and sweeter.

TheTeddy: https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/july-28-harmonizer
TheEddie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA-AVu299wg

:)

post pics of the setup - what the heck are you talking about - tweeter - supro - 5" - Eventide 949 harmonizer - anti-say what? a picture = 1,000 words. :)

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:44 pm

Hi rgalpin!

The phase 90 mod is easy. The final stage can be adjusted for more gain via the feedback resistor on the ic... the freezing is really just a matter of unsoldering the trimpot and adjusting to taste. Its kinda like furman pq sound but not as aggressive. It's an oscillating high Q filter anyway, just kill the oscillator.

I got the idea from that interview where he calls the 90 a cool boost ..lol We all know the stuff like gospel... now if we could figure out what piece of antiquated electronics is associated with the hiccups.... that one has driven me mad. In fact I no longer want to know :)))

Yep there are some PAINFULLY bright clips there... I really mic'd the cabs to sound that way... no post eq yet. My bad

I wish I could kill those but this whole thing is just the unvarnished.. just let it hang. Im human. I need to experiment and my results often fall short. But I learn from them. There is that dark yet icey sound that can be deceptive... It drives me nuts I cant decide which... bright.......dark..... :fight:

I know some engineers and musicians. Some do the strangest things to get a sound.... and then lie like a rug about it. We are at their mercy. Goooooood lawd!!!!!!! Cardboard box kick drums... hollowed out 4-12 cabs ... super champs hidden in socks...
I now only believe my ears as these guys love to fool people.

I need to learn about how to post pictures. I havent posted before mostly because I am an internet idiot.... :champ:



Thanks for the kind words and hope you stop by again!!!!! Ill stop by yours too....

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:09 pm

Rgalpin,


I forgot !!!! GREAT ears .. I split my signal on that one wet /dry and ran the wet through just a tweeter. SIgnal was split before the HOF pedal.I recorded that tweeter off axis with an sm7

The main sound has no verb but an echorec... thats through the supro (an actual 60s supro combo) ... just the 6x9 speaker mind you... an H&H is driving it softly.... it holds the mids tight .

In other news I have just finished a Hairball 1176... just need need to fix my tone generator and calibrate it. I think I will have to change EVERYTHING to work with it but it will be worth it! Clips are sure to follow.

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:05 pm

Hi ,

I was just listening to VH1 again... not just JC.

Running with the devil ... Im beginning to think I I hear the "eventide glitch" on the opening guitar riff.... not chord beating.

When Ed holds the 2nd chord in that opening progression..... bum bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh glitch hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Holy crap.

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Post by TheTeddy » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:30 pm

Hi all!!!

TheTeddy been busy rebuilding the rig to revolve around the probability of a 949 harmonizer being used post mic in a parallel setup.

I did RWTD ... Reason to listen.... harmonizer in parallel :)

Clippy............ https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/running-with-teddy

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Post by TheTeddy » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:36 pm

Mo betta... the mix is closer than above... recut RWTD

Clip>>>>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/ru ... h-theteddy


Added the Hairball 1176 on this one... its the above track squished >>>>>>>>

Clip>>>>>>>https://soundcloud.com/user186657240/ru ... teddy-1176

Thanks for listening!!!

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Re: Jamies crying clip, my rig.. opinions??

Post by TheTeddy » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:47 pm

Well I guess thats one no vote. Thanks for the extra stars

I still dont get the lefty lou thing.


The Show will go on

TheTeddy :stars:

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