JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by RussB » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:25 pm

Regarding grounding,

In the pic of the filter cap, you can see where I re-established the ground point between the 2 cap cans. I did the same at the V1/V2 cap can ground, where the loop is also grounded. The Late 2204's have 2 ground wires coming off the PCB, the bias supply is grounded between the cap cans, and the pre-amp is grounded at the V1/V2 cap can.

After I did this, I noticed a bit less noise and eliminated some random static-ey crackles. I'm going re-visit all the grounds, and see what happens.

...and thanks for the input! 8)

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by RussB » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:55 pm

For the record, here's the pre-amp tube voltages I'm getting. R29 (PI/first dropping resistor is 15k) the other 2 are 10k. Plate volts are 460 @ 120vAc

V1

pin 1: 217
pin 3: 1.98
pin 6: 261
pin 8: 2.88

V2

pin 1: 177
pin 3: 1.02
pin 6: 302
pin 7: 177
pin 8: 178

V3

pin 1: 234
pin 2: 23.7
pin 3: 38
pin 6: 221
pin 7: 24.6
pin 8: 38

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by joey » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:23 pm

I would Measure the actual supply nodes for reference not the pins. It just saves the extra step of using ohms law and some assumptions to calculate that you have 290v at v1's supply node.

RussB wrote:Regarding grounding,

In the pic of the filter cap, you can see where I re-established the ground point between the 2 cap cans. I did the same at the V1/V2 cap can ground, where the loop is also grounded. The Late 2204's have 2 ground wires coming off the PCB, the bias supply is grounded between the cap cans, and the pre-amp is grounded at the V1/V2 cap can.

After I did this, I noticed a bit less noise and eliminated some random static-ey crackles. I'm going re-visit all the grounds, and see what happens.

...and thanks for the input! 8)
Well I was more referring to using a more idealized grounding scheme in general, instead of just a fortifying the original one. Fortunately in those amps, the pcb layout and allowances of which, make it very easy to do an almost textbook ideal grounding scheme.

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by RussB » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:09 am

For node voltages I have,

choke > 455v > 15k 337v > 10k 300v > 10k 287v
I also have the loop attached at the 1st node (337v) with a 33k resistor which gives the loop ~285v.

I see AC line voltage fluctuate here at my house +/- 2 volts, from 117 to 121


Is there info already posted here regarding a better grounding scheme? Is that what's referred to as "Larry grounding"?

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by joey » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:45 am

RussB wrote:For node voltages I have,

choke > 455v > 15k 337v > 10k 300v > 10k 287v
I also have the loop attached at the 1st node (337v) with a 33k resistor which gives the loop ~285v.
im really just giving you a hard time, :) just on basis that the more the people you ask for help know, the less they have to assume. ( ex: I didnt really know you had a 2.7K ish cathode resistor, and 100k plate resistor to come up with the 290v ht figure, which was 3v within accurate... I still dont, I just took your cathode voltage, and used it to assume net current draw based on convention, that only goes so far though as the same parameters can be adjusted)


RussB wrote:Is there info already posted here regarding a better grounding scheme? Is that what's referred to as "Larry grounding"?
in as far as I'm referencing, Maybe. I'm sure its come up here, but no the larry scheme is not what I'm referencing. The larry scheme is still a chassis scheme that relies on proximity effect. Both Aiken, RG, and Merlinb amongst many others have great articles regarding guitar amp grounding so its almost a silly refraining it, as they have done a very good job.

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by tone? » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:30 pm

So what is the result if you do 12000 spec filtering on a 2204 JMP? vertical input with the low B+ PT?


2] 100uf's f&t in series mains
2] 32uf's f&t in series screens
1]100uf lcr phase inverter
1] dual 33 x 33 f&t preamp

would things get too mushy?

what would change?

thanks!

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by metalmulisha0143 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:22 am

I have an '86 jcm800 1959 head with the four inputs and 3 filter caps. Lots of people said they just sound like jmp's but it sounds a lot more aggressive, gritty and hard. Could this be from the voltage change as well?

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by stef » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:36 am

You posted filtering for a 100w amp

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Re: JCM800 2204 early vs later filtering config

Post by tone? » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:58 am

Ok is there an equivalant to this for a 2204 ? Or does the 2204 have low filtering already?

Thanks for correcting me. How else to learn

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