Live Without a Net confusion

[wjamflan]

That's some good dectective work! So he obviously just retuned the 5150 Kramer.

Thank you. Hope it helps.

[JimiJames]

That's some good dectective work! So he obviously just retuned the 5150 Kramer.

Thank you. Hope it helps.

Right you are , Santino. Thanks wjamflan

[donnyboiler]

This is banging info guys, thanks!

The guitars do indeed look identical. Just two points to raise now:

1. There seems to be some disagreement over the pitch of the song. It's definitely C, not C#. I just checked with one of my Eb guitars and the D-Tuna pulled out and it's still a semitone too high. The live version is lower than the album version I believe.

2. If he was indeed using 9-40 strings during this period (which isn't the first time I've read that) that low C string would have been INSANELY floppy at that pitch. Like I say, I can do it on my 9-46s but it's an effort to keep it in tune on those thumping low notes.

So if it is the same guitar he must have been re-stringing in between songs, surely? I see no evidence of a floppy low C on the vid. Which raises two more questions : how would he do it in time (three songs is enough but the bass solo probably isn't) and how would they get the tuning rock solid? I mean yeah, stretch, retune, stretch, retune, stretch, retune - but at some point you're gonna run out of time and you're taking a guitar with new strings onto a hot stage and letting Ed rip the shit out of it. I don't think the tuning would be as solid as it is.

So we have two possibilities as I see it: Ed managed with the same set of strings somehow OR there was a super-exact copy.

[wjamflan]

2. If he was indeed using 9-40 strings during this period (which isn't the first time I've read that) that low C string would have been INSANELY floppy at that pitch. Like I say, I can do it on my 9-46s but it's an effort to keep it in tune on those thumping low notes.

I have my strat with 9-40s tuned that way as we speak. It works just fine, but I agree about the tuning part. The only thing is I don't have Floyd on there. I still think re-tuning is what he did, but I'm open to suggestion

[garbeaj]

My guess is Ed used three guitars. Whether or not he used heavier strings on the 5150 so he could tune down during the drum solo is still up in the air from interviews of the time. Here's the setlist in case it was hard to gather from my earlier post:

You Really Got Me - 5150 (standard)
One Way To Rock - 5150 (standard)
Summer Nights - Steinberger
Get Up - Steinberger
Drum Solo - Ed/Zeke tune 5150 down a whole step
Dreams - 5150 (tuned down)
5150 - 5150 (tuned down)
Bass Solo - Ed/Zeke tune 5150 up to standard
Panama- 5150 (standard)
Best Of Both Worlds/Addicted To Love - 5150 (standard)
Love Walks In
Good Enough - 1984 (Bass A string)
Guitar Solo - 5150 (standard)
55 - 5150 (standard) & Steinberger
Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love - Steinberger
Wild Thing - 5150 (standard)
Why Can't This Be Love
Rock & Roll - 5150 (standard)


It's just a guess but it's the best I've got....

I'm certain "Good Enough" was in most of the sets...When I saw them in October of 1986 it was either the second song after "You Really Got Me" or it was the first song of the set.

[JimiJames]

Why is this one in museum ?

[garbeaj]

What museum? Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? What's that Ovation classical there?

[EJSLPlexi]

What museum? Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? What's that Ovation classical there?

I think that is the ovation ed used on spanish fly
it is laying down on the ground in the famous group shot

[garbeaj]

What museum? Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? What's that Ovation classical there?

I think that is the ovation ed used on spanish fly
it is laying down on the ground in the famous group shot

Is the Kramer pic at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?