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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Blix » Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:59 pm

rgalpin wrote:
had to go look up Bugera after re-listening to this clip. blix - your clip sounds better than any of the other clips i heard on the net. that is some sweet stuff right there. a little fluffier than a plexi but man so dang sassy when you spank it. has that great envelope response to it with both the lead single string stuff and the chords. that is cool.
Thank you. When I was "researching" it before I bought it I was horrified by the clips, but on the other hand I knew most were made by kids with no idea how to handle a NMV "Marshall" . :)
I heard it had "something" and luckily I was right. :mrgreen:

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Post by dirtycooter » Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:21 pm

Well I tried this approach with my mojave peacemaker as this inspired me to take a stab at it.
While it can sound cool its a little squashed sounding and I am using identical stuff other than my amp and my resistors are 4x16ohm 100w each wired for 16ohm total load at 400w. Not quite getting your results. I got the same line out and same matrix power amp. Running greenback 25w in cab.
Also I get no feedback interaction with the guitar and cab. I am perplexed here.
Makes me wonder about some using the v shapes e.q. afterward and some guys using H30's that have bigger bass and brighter top making a natural v shaped eq voice in comparison to a 25w speaker.
No doubt about it though.... I got gain for days and at a crazy low volume. I can see the cleaner sustaining type of gain it has here and its billy badass. Amp is just balls out wide open other than the bass channel volume is down below half. Bright channel is maxed and running off the 8ohm tap to resistor network at 16ohm.
I really love this tone you got but it is having issues on my end :scratch:
You able to get feedback interaction???

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Post by chrisom » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:29 am

DC- I'd be willing to bet if you ran one speaker output to a "dry" cabinet and then use the Matrix just for powering L and R effects, your feedback interaction would return on all 3 elements, courtesy of the dry cab responding to your strings...

Or you could use a third Matrix channel to power a "dry" cabinet and get the same effect while still retaining total volume control. Just a thought :scratch:

You might be able to test this by just running a wet/dry setup using the Matrix's 2 channels to see if it works. While the FX processor is essential for "the sound", I think one element of the signal needs to NOT be going thru any digital FX processing to get the best feedback interaction also essential for "the sound" of classic rock guitar, (as well as modern)... :thumbsup:
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Post by Blix » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:43 am

I'll test how the feedback interaction is tonight. Using the Torpedo Reload, which is a load-reamp device. :)

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Post by chrisom » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:12 am

I just watched the Torpedo Overload video that Pete Thorn did. That thing is impressive! I was nearly overloaded by the information about the number of things it can do! :lol: Cool. :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtgpyMsi-Q0

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Post by Blix » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:26 am

Sounds like you were a bit overloaded by the Reload. :lol:



Just back from work and grabbed the guitar and fooled around a bit. I'd say the feedback interaction feels fairly normal, need some volume but it's there. Mic'ed the cab and stumbled through a short clip. You don't hear it that good in this noodling around, but it's definitely noticeable when playing. You can feel the sustain is there for single notes. You sure aren't getting much for free with the lack of modern high gain.

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Post by EJSLPlexi » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:15 am

efraser68 wrote:This past Friday, I got to do a live show with my 12 Series and a Peavy 60/60 PA (thanks to YMI5150?) and man what a difference. When compared to doing straight attn with a HotPlate, there's a night and day difference. Less nasally artifacts and the rig just responded harmonically and the compression was insane. The other HUGE benefit was that I was able to run an EQ pedal in the line out with a slight level adjustment and finally had a true boosting system for leads. Yes it's more of a hassle, but probably will only use this setup for larger gigs and home.
I love it when you post your tone findings because you are out there live using the rig and can tell us how it works out in a band situation and not just in the basement or bedroom :thumbsup:
Plus that 12xxx you have is insane sounding! :worthy:

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Post by EJSLPlexi » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:18 am

Blix wrote:
Sparky4444 wrote:
Can you cop the intro to Unchained and put it up?? I would like to do a spectral analysis of it and see how it looks....
Here you go, threw together a quick Unchained... :)

http://soundcloud.com/amund-blix/unchained" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bugera doing that? :shock: wow they are only like $400 new! :rock:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BUG1960I
Blix did you link the channels?

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Post by EJSLPlexi » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:35 am

Damn for $400 new shipped i just ordered one
i liked the BLIX clips and this vid and i know these will sound even better with a tube swap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrTF4qHiybo

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Post by Blix » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:33 am

Yeah they are a bargain or sure. I used EH 6CA7s in the last clip, just two of them.

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Post by EJSLPlexi » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:23 am

Blix wrote:Yeah they are a bargain or sure. I used EH 6CA7s in the last clip, just two of them.
Blix is this the clip you mean? or the unchained clip?
https://soundcloud.com/amund-blix/bugera-slaving
that sounds awesome and no one would have guessed bugera had you did a guess the amp
I would have been fooled if you said it was a SLP
Mine will be here by the weekend. :toast:
I want to replace the pre and power tubes

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Post by Blix » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:49 am

EJSLPlexi wrote:
Blix wrote:Yeah they are a bargain or sure. I used EH 6CA7s in the last clip, just two of them.
Blix is this the clip you mean? or the unchained clip?
https://soundcloud.com/amund-blix/bugera-slaving
that sounds awesome and no one would have guessed bugera had you did a guess the amp
I would have been fooled if you said it was a SLP
Mine will be here by the weekend. :toast:
I want to replace the pre and power tubes

Ah, no I meant this one: http://tonefinder.com/files/87141753110 ... action.mp3

And my link in a post yesterday didn't work, no wonder no one commented :lol:

EDIT: Tonefinder.com seems to be down, II'l put it on Soundcloud.

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Post by dirtycooter » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:10 pm

[quote="chrisom"]DC- I'd be willing to bet if you ran one speaker output to a "dry" cabinet and then use the Matrix just for powering L and R effects, your feedback interaction would return on all 3 elements, courtesy of the dry cab responding to your strings...

Or you could use a third Matrix channel to power a "dry" cabinet and get the same effect while still retaining total volume control. Just a thought :scratch:

You might be able to test this by just running a wet/dry setup using the Matrix's 2 channels to see if it works. While the FX processor is essential for "the sound", I think one element of the signal needs to NOT be going thru any digital FX processing to get the best feedback interaction also essential for "the sound" of classic rock guitar, (as well as modern)... :thumbsup:[/Iquote]

Way ahead of you here-the rack wet side I have pretty much mastered. Especially with a pcm80, other delays, cae line mixer.But I did a straight no fx bone dry reamp for the core tone into one 4x12. Test was-Guitar to amp, amp to load, lineout to matrx, matrix to 4x12. Heat was also a concern after 5 minutes-amp and load resistors. Tranny was about as warm as it had ever been. So just kept it short but sweet. Didn't want everything to desolder itself. That would be bad but probably was fine.
Yes the mojave power dampening was wide open too.

Totally not the point of loading down the head and reamping to add fx. It was for volume control only. Which I had the bull by the horns completely as far as volume. That was kick ass control! Like total scaling of the volume as it was with no change at all and so low it became ridiculously unuseable because you miss the cab resonance when the wood vibrates from the ass whuppin.
Freaky when you can turn it down so low and hear your tubes and OT working making noises when you pick. Scary!
Yeah I can get it working the traditional wdw way all day long...... IF YOU CAN STAND THE VOLUME :shock: Or your greenbacks for that matter. Freaks me out as the speakers ain't cheap. Its Jesus on Harley LOUD! The matrix is hands down the best amp ever for wdw as its essentially an HH here. I used a DSD into the front and I get oodles of gain no problem stock amp and actually maybe a tad too much. I can see where the peacemaker input design gets more than a stock 12series easy. As far as the load reamp-It works sorta like he claims (squashed a bit and changed tonally from running normal without load)but there is no interaction feedback wise either. Zero. Dead as Elvis.
I have the same c.a.e. lineout box, same matrix, pretty much the same static resistive load, used the 8 and 16 ohm taps on test runs. 8ohm is where its at.... but not that happening.
Am I gonna buy a bugera??? No.
But I put it to the test and the results were not what he is getting so I have to wonder

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