VOX AC15C1 Schematics

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VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by inkomodo.dragon » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:32 pm

Hi guys, since Vox staff thinks they're still in the 70's and therefore refuse to send the official schematics I decided to reverse engineer mine. It's divided in 5 parts so it is "computer friendly" and for those who want to get it all in one click there's a link to the PDF file at the end of the post. As robrohdeszudy said on the telecaster guitar forum, I truly hope it annoys Vox deeply.

1. Preamp
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2. Output
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3. Tremolo
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4. Reverb Driver & Recovery
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5. Power Supply
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My amp is the 220-230v 50Hz version and the main board reads PCB_VX15C1_1001_ISS3b

Here is the COMPLETE SCHEMATIC IN PDF FORMAT.

Enjoy!

- - - UPDATE - - - -
Revision 1 (11/09/12): Added C11 (10n) to the power supply section.
Revision 2 (13/09/12): Added C52 (10n) to the power supply section, Renamed D1 to D10.
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Re: VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by inkomodo.dragon » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:31 am

You're welcome Bug2222
Bug2222 wrote:...I can't find C11 (10nF) in your schematic. It should be connected with R7 (B+5)?
Yep, I must have missed it because I looked at my hand drawn schematic and it was there. I've updated both the PDF and the image file. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by inkomodo.dragon » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:22 pm

Well I was going to address that same issue. Mine wasn't making any noise other than an annoyingly loud hiss. Tube amps hiss at high volumes and that's OK but this one was doing it more than any of my 100 watters.

If you take a look at the schems you'll see that the signal passes through two opamps (U1a & U5a) regardless of the channel you are in. The first one mixes both channels and then feeds the power amp and the reverb driver. The other one mixes the reverb output with the preamp signal just before the PI.

If you bypass both these opamps by copying the 70's AC30 Dallas schematic (provided by Vox :) ) you'll get rid of it. I did that because I didn't use the reverb at all and the hiss is way lower now. With the amp at full blast on the Normal channel the hiss is almost inaudible and the Top Boost channel has a manageable amount of it. The downside of it is that you will lose the reverb.

If you absolutely need the reverb I recommend getting a new tank with a shorter decay time or a higher quality one. The stock tank is the Belton BS3EB3C1B that has a decay time between 2.75 and 4 seconds. It can be replaced with any of the following accutronics units:
  • 8EB1C1B -> Short decay (1.2 to 2 sec)

    8EB2C1B -> Medium decay (1.75 to 3 sec)

    8EB3C1B -> Long decay (2.75 to 4 sec)
I would go for the medium decay one unless you are into the hole surf thing. I've heard some people had problems with the custom classic series when they swapped reverb tanks. Nothing too serious but they had to change a couple of resistors in order to get the right response from it. If you try it and find the reverb level is too low even at maximum level you can try replacing R60 with a 28k.

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Re: VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by inkomodo.dragon » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:51 pm

If you give me a couple of days I'll come up with a little instructional.

PS: I understood everything you typed so don't worry about it.

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Re: VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by inkomodo.dragon » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:49 am

New update, nothing major. Just another sneaky 10n Cap from the power supply and diode renaming.

PDF and Images updated

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Re: VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by inkomodo.dragon » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:28 am

Bug2222: I've posted the info on how to perform the mod in this post.

Let me know how it worked out

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Re: VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by inkomodo.dragon » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:40 am

You're welcome :thumbsup:
As for the Dallas Schematic, most resistor values can be read with a bit of effort it's the cap values that are almost impossible to figure out but a lot if not all of them are the same in other versions of the circuit.
I see you have also chanced the C34 cap in your amp. What effect has this change?
By raising C34 to 47n you shift the bass response higher effectively attenuating some really low bass frequencies. Once again it's the value used in the Dallas circuit.
it seems that you did not have changed R5, R6 and C5 in the normal channel mod.
If you look closely R5 and R6 are 220k (red-red-black-orange-brown). C5 is the stock values (22n) because I wanted a bit less bass.
I think that bring's more gain in normal channel without the 330k resistor. Removing of the C4 cap eliminates the icepick high’s (why not also in the top boost channel R8/C67?).
R1 forms a voltage divider with VR1 and limits the output of that stage to 60% max. Jumping it allows you to get the full signal into the PI. This was also implemented by Vox to prevent the op-amp from clipping. C4 is a treble bleed cap that bypasses VR1 for high frequencies making the channel shrill at low gain values.
The Top Boost channel originally had C8 so I won't be removing it. C16 and C67 are there to prevent oscillation because they deal with really high (inaudible) frequencies.
The 220K resisters are reducing the gain in V1/V2 (instead of 100K)? Is that right? What does the changing of the value of C5?
Is the other way around, the gain increases as you raise the plate resistance. As I said earlier C5 is a coupling cap, higher values will allow lower frequencies to pass.
In your bypassing mod you're using carbon resistors. Is there any special reason for that?
Not at all, I didn't have metalfilm resistors of that value around so I went with those.
... must I remove the complete mainbord for that?
You'll definitely have to remove the main board to perform the mod. But it's easier than you think. It's held by the pot's lock-nuts and 3 screws. Remove all that and gently move the board back from the front plate until you get enough clearance from the pots to rotate it to a vertical position. No need to unplug anything from it.[/quote]
Why is C19 in the signal path to the treble pot no longer needed?
It was part of the op-amp circuit. I wanted to get the circuit as close to the original as possible so I could hear how it sounded and then tweak it to my taste.

That's about it.

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Re: VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by songsmith1950 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:12 pm

Thank you for your great work.

I saw somewhere that you don't like the PPIMV. Having looked at this circuit I can see why. It just runs the two inverted output signals together to cancel each other out and drop volume that way.

What would you think of instead putting a bias control on the Phase Inverter to lower volume in that way. You can lower volume without lessening the drive feel of the amp. You can also go very heavy with overdrive.

Or is it better just to leave the current MV as it is or even to just disconnect the mv altogether?

Thank you

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Re: VOX AC15C1 Schematics

Post by inkomodo.dragon » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:53 am

If you are not going to use the MV just leave it . The problem with it is when you start to attenuate more than half way down so I don't think there's going to be much of a difference if you disconnect it but I might be wrong..

Your PI bias adjustment idea might work but I believe it will change the distortion you get out of the phase inverter. From my point of view the best solution is to install a LarMar PPIMV since it doesn't alter the gain structure behind it giving you the actual sound you get when you crank the amp up until the power tube's grids.

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