reverb (run in front, no loop)

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:15 pm

I was wondering which reverb unit sound great in the front of an amp. I havent tried many, and they really need a loop, ya know. I sold my Boss Rv-3. I no longer use an amp with a loop. So what is good ?

jimmyride · Post by **jimmyride** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:54 am

I'm curious as well.

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:24 am

I hear that the EH Holy Grail is good.

Roe · Post by **Roe** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:28 am

the TC HoF works for me. But if the amp is distorting a lot, esp. the phase inverter and power amp, then not even a loop will work. you really need a wet/dry rig then

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:13 pm

I'm running a 'mod 5esque' spec. I'm not playing out at the moment, so I got the ppimv down pretty low, so even though the out put tubes arent distorting, I guess the phase inverter is working hard. Do you think the 'Hall Of Fame' reverb would sound good in the front of my amp ?

somethin'else · Post by **somethin'else** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:05 am

Diggin' the Hardwire RV7 for the Lexi plate, and I sometimes go off with the spring reverb into a Link Wray Surf thing. I usually end up laying on the floor after a hour of that!

The Lexi plate in there's great. I dial it semi-dark, and variate the level depending on what I'm playing. But this pedal's usually on all the time, on way or another.

I haven't tried it going into the Lo Channel, but will get around to it one day.

Cheap, and sounds great.

JimiJames · Post by **JimiJames** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:41 pm

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Twistingcrow · Post by **Twistingcrow** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:31 am

I'm wondering which reverb pedal works best with a crunchy plexi as well. I have tried a Holy Grail, an RV-5 and a Neunaber Wet and all of them drown the signal as soon as the amp distorts...

Maybe I should build me a good old Fender Reverb unit, but that's expensive and a pain to carry around. If someone says "I've tried this reverb and it does the job even with teh amp on 8" then I'll go for it...

908ssp · Post by **908ssp** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:26 pm

None unless your running your amp clean like a PA. If you run distortion before the reverb and the amp clean you can kind of get away with it. If you run the amp dirty the reverb should come afterwards. The best way to run ambiance sounds is after the power amp with a line out either from the amp if equipped or attenuator or just a remote line out box and run that to the reverb ambiance effect and to a second clean amp to another speaker.

garbeaj · Post by **garbeaj** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:21 pm

When you run a clean amp for the reverb after the dirty amp sound through a splitter, you then have the problem of really only making everything work right by mic'ing and going through a PA with the mixer maintaining the balance between the two. I thing ToneSlinger and I are looking for the same thing-how do you get a VH-1 type reverb after the distorted amp sound and have it sound good in a bedroom or small club without having to go through a PA.

The closest I've come is just using a splitter sending my signal from the guitar into my Super Reverb so I can get the reverb. The problem with that is you hear my completely clean guitar playing through the second amp with the reverb. How do you get the distorted sound of say my Marshall Mod-5 to then have reverb through an additonal dedicated clean amp which only has the reverbed distorted sound? In other words, how do I get the sound of the reverb while still having the distorted sound of the amp that I'm really playing through?

908ssp seems to have the right track, but I don't understand exactly what pieces of equipment I would need to make this work. What specific brands or models of gear would you recommend for the set up you describe and how exactly would all the cables run?

Twistingcrow · Post by **Twistingcrow** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:20 am

908ssp wrote:None unless your running your amp clean like a PA. If you run distortion before the reverb and the amp clean you can kind of get away with it. If you run the amp dirty the reverb should come afterwards. The best way to run ambiance sounds is after the power amp with a line out either from the amp if equipped or attenuator or just a remote line out box and run that to the reverb ambiance effect and to a second clean amp to another speaker.

Thanks a lot Alex. I do have your attenuator so I guess I could use its line out for my reverb, but if that means buying another amp or going to the PA that's a big no for me as I'm mic'ed 5% of the time when I gig.

So this means that I need to build an effects loop in my 1987... I didn't want to, but I really can't use reverb the way I do now. I always end up turning it off these days because even on 2/10 my signal gets drowned when the amp is on 7...

I was thinking teh Fender Reverb unit would be good for this but apparently, it's not...
Thanks!

908ssp · Post by **908ssp** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:30 am

I use a 1/2 rack digital delay/reverb ambiance unit. They are cheap and there are loads of brands that work fine you can run that into any second guitar amp and get a really sound with ambiance. You don't need a speaker sim if you use a guitar amp with guitar speaker for your ambiance sounds. I do this at home and everyone who has heard it is flabbergasted at how good it sounds. It really is the missing piece to the puzzle for getting a professional live sound. When you're not micing this is pretty simple setup. If you are micing than a direct box between the ambiance effect and the board on one channel and the dry sound on the other channel and let the sound man do the mix.

Twistingcrow · Post by **Twistingcrow** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:08 pm

908ssp wrote:I use a 1/2 rack digital delay/reverb ambiance unit. They are cheap and there are loads of brands that work fine you can run that into any second guitar amp and get a really sound with ambiance. You don't need a speaker sim if you use a guitar amp with guitar speaker for your ambiance sounds. I do this at home and everyone who has heard it is flabbergasted at how good it sounds. It really is the missing piece to the puzzle for getting a professional live sound. When you're not micing this is pretty simple setup. If you are micing than a direct box between the ambiance effect and the board on one channel and the dry sound on the other channel and let the sound man do the mix.

Interesting Alex, but this means buying/building a second amp... Which is a big no for me. One 1987 plexi amp and cab is already more than enough... If I tell the guys "Hey, I'm gonna play through two amps now cuz I need reverb/delay" they'll just shoot me down...

garbeaj · Post by **garbeaj** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:57 pm

908ssp wrote:I use a 1/2 rack digital delay/reverb ambiance unit. They are cheap and there are loads of brands that work fine you can run that into any second guitar amp and get a really sound with ambiance. You don't need a speaker sim if you use a guitar amp with guitar speaker for your ambiance sounds. I do this at home and everyone who has heard it is flabbergasted at how good it sounds. It really is the missing piece to the puzzle for getting a professional live sound. When you're not micing this is pretty simple setup. If you are micing than a direct box between the ambiance effect and the board on one channel and the dry sound on the other channel and let the sound man do the mix.

I understand what you are talking about when you refer to the direct box into the soundboard thing, but what is the signal path for what you are talking about in the first part of your post...

I mean start at the guitar's output jack and take me through the rest of the connections, if you wouldn't mind...I'm trying to flabbergast myself and friends in my room or a small club without having to have a sound man, direct box and a mixing board.

How does just the reverb come out of the second amp without getting the clunky clean guitar signal coming out of the second amp as I have experienced by simply using a splitter to split my guitar signal to my Marshall Mod5 and my Super Reverb?

908ssp · Post by **908ssp** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:05 pm

Most if not all digital effects rack pieces have the option of turning the dry signal down or completely off allowing only the effected reverb/delay signal through to the second amp. It is best if you can feed the output of the effect unit into a power amp or effects return of an amp so it doesn't go through the preamp section but if you're careful with your adjustments to keep the signal in the preamp low and clean you can get away with it.

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