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Post by Flames1950 » Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:42 pm

BrianH wrote:Funny, the SRS store's matching was great but they refuse to believe something could be wrong with the tubes. They're running them with no problems, they say. I've used JJ and two quads of =C='s in my amp with no problems. They thought I've made up my mind that their tubes would be defective and sent me a refund minus a 15% restocking fee. What BS! I'm going to buy from tubedepot to see if a different friggin quad works.

I'd stay away from SRS as you're not likely to get an easy refund, and will first endure many emails back and forth debating.
Great, you're building my confidence up.......
I was actually already a little irritated with them, and I haven't even gotten my tubes........e-mailed them that I would be sending a money order for my KT66 quad, and to give me a street addy to send payment to, so they send me a PO box -- I can't send any way other than snail mail to a PO box!!!! Not even a week later I get a non-payment dispute notice from eBay on the auction....... :evil: :evil: :evil: For Christ's sake, it's the holidays and someone wonders why a MO sent snail mail doesn't make it halfway across the country in three business days???
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Post by BrianH » Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:46 pm

They really made things as difficult as possible for me. That restocking fee is BS and a real bite in the ass. My amp runs at a higher plate voltage than the one they're testing them in and claim to have let it run for 2 days... they worked in my amp just fine, too, until I blasted a guitar through it. then POP. I just ordered a quad from tubedepot (who is fantastic but a little more $$) and will see if a quad from them works. If so, srs is getting bad feedback. Do you plan to do the same?

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Post by Billy Batz » Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:49 pm

YOu have to be ready to get bad FB in return.

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Post by BrianH » Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:50 pm

Unfortunately, yes. His response to neg feedback is awfully nasty, as well. Anyone considering buying from SRS might want to reconsider it.

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Post by Billy Batz » Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:59 pm

You didnt loose a lot of money so I chock this one up to a bad ebay experience. I checked his fb. 99.3% sounds like a good score but in reality that means he got 30 negative feedbacks and thats not great. 17 in the past year and almost 10 nuetrals. Some are going to come from non paying idiots of coarse but it still tells me that the positives are when nothng goes wrong and of coarse people rave then but its what they do when you do have a problem.
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Post by BrianH » Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:03 pm

Yeah, live and learn. Going forward, I'll happily share this experience with others considering SRS.

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Post by novosibir » Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:08 pm

Who or what is "SRS"?

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Post by HeeBGB » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:47 pm

Hey Brian,

Sorry to here about the tube problems bro! I hope Ididn't have anything to do with that :wink:

I bought a quad of Svets (Sovtek) from Tubestore.com. two of them worked fine in my nephews JMP 50 clone but do not run in my Trainwreck Express clone. I run an NOS set of Siemans in it now. Unfortunately I had them too long sitting in the box for me to call tubestore.com and see about replacements. I have had to get replacements from him though and he is really good to deal with. He sent replacements no questions asked. I haven't tried tubedepot yet but I probably will soon.

Glad your comin' to the next AMPFEST. I can't wait to hear your Scumback's. What color is your historic Junior?

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Post by BrianH » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:54 pm

Thanks, Greg. Tubedepot is great! First time I'm buying tubes from them, though.. but have bought lots of parts. SUPER fast 2-day Fedex shipping for $3.95, very friendly.

The Junior is TV yellow and has CTS audio pots and an overwound Fralin in the bridge. It's a MONSTER! I barely play my R7 now. The Junior has more balls, more grind, and cuts like a mofo. It's magical.

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Post by kristyy » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:16 pm

Honestly, I have not had problems with EH EL34's. I've blown one only because of it being my fault... forgot to check the speaker cable before turning on the amp (toddlers are wonderful, truely). I've used two sets so far.

Of the new production, I believe the best are SED, JJ, and New Mullard (a better built EH). Of the three, I like the SED's the best. The New Sensor Mullards are good but over priced compared to the SED and JJ. With any of these three, I believe you cannot go wrong. It is just what EL34 tone you are after. I do not any have reason why I do not use the JJ EL34L's much. I use to use the JJ's with JJ high-gain 12AX7's when we were playing more overdriven rock. I just do not want to give the impression that I think these are lesser than the SEDs and New Sensor Mullards.

I have not tried the New Sensor Tung-Sols but I hear good things about them. Some from well-respected people.

With that being said, I do not see any point spending 4x or 5x the price for "affordable NOS" EL34's. Current production are good. Right now, I'm using the New Sensor Mullards but switch back and forth with the SEDs.

The only problem I have with EH EL34 is the breakup. To me, it sounds like the EH do not break up well. They crapp-out too quickly. SEDs break up the best to my ears. The New Sensor Mullards sound slightly better at lower volumes. Hence the reason why I switch all the time.

I do have NOS sets in RFT and Siemens that everyone talks about being the affordable NOS including TT. I just do not hear enough justification to be paying $100 to $150 for each pair. These set in the original boxes on the shelf.

Pre-amp tubes are a different story. My ears tell me that there are still some ground between new production and NOS. The problem, cost-wise, is that I have to spend more money buying sets of 5 or 10 of new production to find two that have good sound. I do run "affordable NOS" in the pre-amp which is a Mullard in V1, a GT12AX7M in V2, and a Valvo 12AT7 in V3. This is a JCM800 so I am trying to limit the highs and gain to remove the buzzyness. I do have another GT12AX7M that I can run in V1, but the Mullard gives it some more clarity without increasing the highs into harshness.

My setup is the JCM800 2204 ('87 vintage), Les Paul or AM Strat (fat), not much in the signal chain... bypass, Boss GE-7, Boss OD, Ibanez Chorus/Flanger, and Phaser. I try to avoid effects as possible. The speakers is a 2x12 Avatar (Vintage 30 & G12H30). I do use a hotplate but I mostly set the volume and change the gain as need on the song.

My experiences with Tubedepot has been great as well. Another good dealer is Eurotubes (JJ only). For NOS, I most use tubemonger and KCA of which both I recommend. I tend to shop for price.

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Post by rjgtr » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:48 pm

My experience with NOS Siemens is that SED (=C=) EL34s sound every bit as good. The Seimens sound great, but the SEDs are their equal in tone. As for longevity, SED and JJ E34Ls last a pretty long time. I've got some pairs that have been gigged solid for a year's time still sounding punchy.

I'm not a fan of most EH stuff. There's a cloudiness to the mids and the low mids just aren't as solid as the =C=.

NOS Preamps - I agree to a point. Not just any NOS preamp is great.

My experience is this - The longer plate Mullards are THE tube. Incredibly clear and punchy low end, especially the low mids. Worth the money for V1. The box plates work better in older style amps, but not so good in higher gain amps. Some amps respond well to Mullards in all preamp positions (Plexis), but the modern high gain amps don't seem to like them as much after V1 and V2. The GT-12ax7-M is a good match for Mullards in the other positions.

Brimars don't sound enough better than RFTs to warrant their current extra cost. Brimars used to be a great deal but not so much any more. RFTs are great if you spend a lot of time in distortion, but not if you spend a lot of time clean. JAN/Phillips are better in Fenders than Marshalls. RCAs are a great Fender amp tube too, but just Ok in most Marshalls.

The new JJ ECC83S and ECC80S are good sounding, but seem voiced for a MESA more than a Marshall than the older models and the Teslas. Sometimes just a tad harsh in Marshalls. The GT12ax7-Ms are good sounding, but QC isn't as good as it used to be so you can get a dud now and then. The Chinese 12ax7s still seem to be one of the best utility tubes, great for cathode followers and phase inverters. Sovteks are reliable and totally uninspiring. The EH offerrings are better, but still can have that Sovtek cloudy midrange thing. Ei ECC83s are great sounding if they don't go microphonic. If Ei could ever get their quality together they would have THE new production ECC83.

Generally in my gigging amps, I have been running a NOS Mullard in V1 and a mix of Chinese and GT12ax7-Ms in the other positions. Sometimes I'll put an RFT in V2 if I'll be playing a lot of rock.

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Post by BrianH » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:51 pm

Just got a quad of EH-EL34's from TubeDepot that work perfectly even with the amp dimed. It's a shame SRS had to be such pompous dicks about their testing and matching, when the tubes they sent me were clearly bad. Then charged me a re-stocking fee.

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Post by MARCO » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:24 am

Of the new EL34's, the Mullard Reissue, the EH 6CA7 and the Svet "C" are the best sounding for new EL34's. Yes, I said EH 6CA7.....they can take a beating like the old ones and have a similar tone to the Sylvania 6CA7's. If you like the mid range hump & smooth break up go with the Svetlana's. I like the EH 6CA7's personally because they have a nicer low end, handle a ton of power nicely and are more linear (even sounding) in their frequency response.
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Post by novosibir » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:51 am

MARCO wrote:I like the EH 6CA7's personally because they have a nicer low end, handle a ton of power nicely and are more linear (even sounding) in their frequency response. :wink:
That's the reason, why I DON'T like them, similar to the (like a 6CA7 bigger bottled) Sino EL34-B.

Huge bass and a lot of highs - impressive sounding, when playing alone at home - but on the stage hard to be heared through the band's frequency mix.

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