G12-65 and V30 mix?

[OdgeUK]

Been happy with 2 x G12-65 speakers (original 80's white labels) in my Marshall 2x12 for a while now, but recently I fired up my 4x12 loaded with the Marshall Vintage Modern Celestion G12C Greenback speakers and suddenly found the G12-65 cab to sound very dark and a little 'flat'. By comparision, the G12C cab sounded aggressive and alive with those lively chewy mids that you expect from Greenbacks. The Greenbacks were noticibly louder than the G12-65, with the amp volume set the same. Still though, there is the harsh top end that I dislike with the G12C (under higher gain, the 'sizzle' is so much that it can sound thin and distorted) and also the complete lack of bottom end. What I still like about the G12-65 is the 'woody' classic Rock sound and the warm low end which gives the speakers a much 'fuller' sound than the Greenbacks.

Anyway.....I can't use the G12Cs as they are 25w and I need a 2x12 cab that can handle at least 120w so I'm looking to either find a pair of speakers that sound like Greenbacks, with a 'fuller' sound and are rated at 60w or higher OR......looking to mix a V30 with a G12-65 to have some Greenback mids with my Warm and full sounding G12-65. Thing is, I think the G12-65 is 96db and the V30 is 100db? Is this too much of a mismatch?

I've done some searching on Google for "High Powered Greenbacks" but I keep seeing posts where people are perpetuating this idea that G12-65s are high powered greenbacks, which, after owning G12C and G12-65 and comparing side by side I would say is very inaccurate. In my experience, having directly compared two 4x12's. one with V30 the other G12C, I'd say that the V30 sounds like a High Powered Greenback.

[StuartC]

These G12-65 speakers, are they the G12M-65's?

If so I might be looking for two to replace two of the Vintage 30's that are in my 4 x 12, so that i can run my AFD100 through the V30's and my JTM45/100 through the 65's.

Might you consider a straight swap?

I've only just got the JTM amp so am not 100% sure about the speaker change, but I'm having a good session on thurs to see how I like it through the v30's.

The speakers are fully working with no problems etc.

Email me if you want:

stuart@stuart-collins.com

[OdgeUK]

These G12-65 speakers, are they the G12M-65's?

If so I might be looking for two to replace two of the Vintage 30's that are in my 4 x 12, so that i can run my AFD100 through the V30's and my JTM45/100 through the 65's.

Might you consider a straight swap?

I've only just got the JTM amp so am not 100% sure about the speaker change, but I'm having a good session on thurs to see how I like it through the v30's.

The speakers are fully working with no problems etc.

Email me if you want:

stuart@stuart-collins.com

No, these are just G12-65, there is no 'M' designation on the label and they certainly don't sound like Greenbacks to me. I'm glad you posted this though as it made me look up the G12M-65 speaker and I see that Celestion are releasing this as a new speaker, in response to people looking for a higher powered Greenback speaker. Very interesting......

[FourT6and2]

A G12-65 is the same as a G12M-25 (Greenback). I'm not sure what a G12C is... Never heard of that before. A Greenback is a G12M, not a G12C.

In any event, take a G12M... vent the magnet and add a larger dust cover over the cone and you have a G12-65. Same speaker. A little smoother top end and mids due to the larger dust cover and a little more low-end due to the venting. All that together gives you a higher power handling because it will take more heat.

I also have G12-65s and Greenbacks and they sound like they are the same speaker, except for the smoother high end, a little less raspy mids, and little more low-end in the 65s. Again, this is because they ARE the same speaker except for the the two aforementioned differences.

[OdgeUK]

A G12-65 is the same as a G12M-25 (Greenback). I'm not sure what a G12C is... Never heard of that before. A Greenback is a G12M, not a G12C.

In any event, take a G12M... vent the magnet and add a larger dust cover over the cone and you have a G12-65. Same speaker. A little smoother top end and mids due to the larger dust cover and a little more low-end due to the venting. All that together gives you a higher power handling because it will take more heat.

I also have G12-65s and Greenbacks and they sound like they are the same speaker, except for the smoother high end, a little less raspy mids, and little more low-end in the 65s. Again, this is because they ARE the same speaker except for the the two aforementioned differences.

The G12C is a Greenback voiced speaker used in the Jimi Hendrix Limited Edition 100 Cabs and also the Vintage Modern series Cabs. The designer has stated that the G12C was voiced after a particulalry woody 60's G12M that they had as a reference model. General consensus from users is that it is a better sounding Greenback than the current G12M and G12M Heritage offerings.

My G12-65 and G12C sound NOTHING alike, not even close. It sounds like you're suggesting that the G12-65 is simply a higher powered Greenback, which would mean that there is no market for the new G12M-65 Creamback speaker just released as Celestion already offer the G12-65 in their range still.

[AJW]

I have 2 new G12-65 Heritage speakers in a 2x12 Mojo select cabinet. They don't sound like a greenback. They are their own thing. They sound darker than both of my 4x12 cabinets. One of those is a mid eighties Marshall JCM800 B cab with G12T-75s, and the other is a modern Marshall Hardwired B cab with G12H-30 (55Hz). I'm considering trying 1 or 2 Creambacks when available in the US in order to brighten up the tone of the 2x12 cabinet. I really like the G12H speakers, but they are not high enough wattage for that.