Low volume micing

Winder · Post by **Winder** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:23 pm

I've had decent results with a close SM57 or SM58 with the ball removed mixed with an Mk319 a couple of feet away from the front of the cab.

Also, I have a friend that records at home and always has some PZM mixed in. He gets real good tone that way (don't recall what type of mic the others are).

Modding the 319 sounds interesting. I got it thinking it might be good for recording acoustic guitar but didn't like the results there.

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:23 pm

If I distant mic my amp I get a nice ambience to it...you know...dishes clanking in the background, tv, the works!!

Dan, in the words of Rob Schneider and Adam Sandler: "Jus' Doo eeet!!!"

Winder · Post by **Winder** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:38 pm

NitroLiq wrote:If I distant mic my amp I get a nice ambience to it...you know...dishes clanking in the background, tv, the works!!

Worked for KISS on Detroit Rock City.

Myopic Void · Post by **Myopic Void** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:43 am

[quote="NitroLiq"]I hate to be the dissenter of the group but I've always thought U87s were a bit overhyped and overpriced. I think they're good for certain applications

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:14 pm

Not sure, Eric. I would just go to the Prodigy Pro Forums and check out the lab and black market sections. Do a search for microphone or something. Some folks have built the G7 over there and some offer mic casings (though you could probably pick up something cheap like an MXL and gut it for better electronics). There's also a few links on the page I originally posted....maybe you can email one of those guys for more info on specific things. Lot of DIY info/resources at prodigy for pro studio preamps (SSL, Neve, etc), compressors, eqs, etc...I'm planning on building a PCB version of an LA2A at some point and maybe putting together a preamp or two.

Myopic Void · Post by **Myopic Void** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:28 pm

NitroLiq wrote:Not sure, Eric. I would just go to the Prodigy Pro Forums and check out the lab and black market sections. Do a search for microphone or something. Some folks have built the G7 over there and some offer mic casings (though you could probably pick up something cheap like an MXL and gut it for better electronics). There's also a few links on the page I originally posted....maybe you can email one of those guys for more info on specific things. Lot of DIY info/resources at prodigy for pro studio preamps (SSL, Neve, etc), compressors, eqs, etc...I'm planning on building a PCB version of an LA2A at some point and maybe putting together a preamp or two.

Well that's interesting

...you know I have two CAD 400s mic's with a similar body as a U87. Perhaps I could gut them. Have you heard any tone reports on U67/47 clones?

Thanks for your help

Eric

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:47 pm

Nah. Again, it's just a matter of combing the forums over there. I think I searched about year ago and found some posted clips of the G7 project mics in action...it's been awhile.

Bluesgeetar · Post by **Bluesgeetar** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:52 pm

Hey Eric, before you go and blow a bunch of cash try the Apex 460 with the secret Advanced Audio mods. Yes I have those mods on schematic. Then you could try any number of the Peluso capsules. The cool thing about the Apex 460 is that you can use any 12AX7 type. 12Au7 12AT7 6072 or whatever. Right now I got an old gold premium Telefunken Ecc83s in mine. Amazing sound! I also love it with one of my Mullard Medical lab equipment ECC83. Creamy very creamy with a RCA 7025. It like having a 100 vintage mics in one cause you can use any old tube of a 12A type. These are supposed to loosely based on the Telefunken U47. The Beatles are seen with them alot in photos, that big round sucker.

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:17 pm

Billy Batz wrote:Heard about those myself. Supposedly when you take out the pad and low cut boards its supposed to fair extremely well with Nuemans. But who wants to mess with modding one? I guess its not that hard. Theres a damaged one on ebay right now.

Hell, after reading this I did a search and found a guy selling two MK319's for $185....I'll bite!!!!

Roe · Post by **Roe** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:51 am

Myopic Void wrote:[...It is a June 1970 Neumann U87 I bought from Bearsville Studios NY. They had about 8 of them for sale..you know this one has some stories to tell living in that studio for 36 years . I am going to get a 2nd soon. I want use them for overheads and bass.

...I know it's not what they are commonly used for today, but you will find them employed live often in 70's on Marshall cabs... Humble Pie, The Who (Isle of White), Hendrix etc... They came on the market in 1967 as the successor to the U67. The older ones can take the higher SPL. On cabs this U87 can give the Royer 121 a run for it's money when set up just right.

Cheers,

Eric

ac/dc used u87s as well. both on guitars and vocals. see my tread on ac/dc

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:52 am

Just about everyone used 87s in pro studio environments back in the day. It's a standard.

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:46 pm

I posted a couple of quick and dirty clips with the Oktava MK319's (stock, not modded.)

Here:
http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=15219

I'm pretty impressed with how easy it was to get a decent sound compared to endless fiddling with an SM57.

St August · Post by **St August** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:03 pm

I liked it andy maybe to far back on the room mic .. So anyone got the modded ones?

Bluesgeetar · Post by **Bluesgeetar** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:30 pm

I mod them myself. All your doing is going through and replacing the russian stuff with high end stuff. No secret special circuit mod or anything.

I got that article on modding the MK319 somewhere. But there is also tons of stuff available if you google. May even be able to google and find that article somewhere. They are by Scott Dorsey and are in the 219/319 modifications were all in the June 2005 issue of Recording.

St August · Post by **St August** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:14 pm

Thanks Blues Im all over that

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