Transformers

Mats A · Post by **Mats A** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:34 am

Why is it that the transformers on newer Marshall

johniss0001 · Post by **johniss0001** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:31 am

well i was told this but it's the way the transformers are made and over the years the +voltages got lower in the pt dept and the type of steel used in the laminations

jerrydyer · Post by **jerrydyer** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:46 am

what PT does the Triple Super Lead have same as 900 ? tanx

novosibir · Post by **novosibir** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:31 pm

[quote="Mats A"]Why is it that the transformers on newer Marshall

FrankieFeenixx · Post by **FrankieFeenixx** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:52 pm

The main issue that manufacturers have today is that the older-design transformers will not meet modern regs for EMI/RFI. Also, CE/CSA/UL safety regs are a problem. That is the main reason Marshall and others cannot exactly duplicate the old xformers.

joshwilson3 · Post by **joshwilson3** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:44 am

I got some transformers from ******. He gets NOS metal from back in the day to make his trannies!!!!

Mats A · Post by **Mats A** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:06 am

I appreciate your answers and you are probably right. Still a goosd sound is a good sound no matter if it

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:06 am

Larry knows his stuff and its very easy to hear the difference he's talking about. So why dont they just do it right? The funny thing is that most people seem to believe a company like marshall with all its money would do it right. No a company like marshall doesnt need to do it right to sell amps. They have a legendary name and a huge marketing budget. So they use whats cheapest as they always did. I think youll find that common to all major manufacturers Mesa, Fender, etc.. Upgrading them will make them all sound more musically pleasing to varying degrees but they dont have to do it so they wont. Look at Mesa. They wont even bias their tubes to any decent operating level for the sole reason of giving you the illusion of a convenient amp that biases itself when its just set to be biased super cold also making you think their shitty tubes last 2x as long as they would. There are plenty of modern people building great amps out there but theyre not so cheap.

Tranys and tubes are both reliant on metallurgy which is different today due to expense and laws. Its not just a bunch of people who are in an emperors new clothes situation. Thats mostly said by people with zero experience. They havent tried it theyre just attacking something they dont understand or maybe its that they just dont care to which is fine for them. If its not important to you thats fine. Noone said you needed vintage tone to sound great. But thats an unwise attitude to a vintage amp site! LOl. the difference is easily apparent.

Yeah today with all the technology some may wonder why they dont do it but I find it pretty obvious when I cant buy anything that isnt a complete piece of cheaply made shit.

Bunnest · Post by **Bunnest** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:30 am

the EPA (environmental Protection Agency) which was established in 1975, prevents certain levels of mercury, arsenic, lead, etc, in mass production. Just like asbestos, which was the best heat retardant known to man, which kills, poisons in old metal are dangerous. So, play that old iron man head, but don't breathe the fumes. BTW, my opinion, I hear such a difference in pre- '75 iron I won't even play newer pieces, don't have the same growl, harmonics and dynamics, too stiff sounding, to me.

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:01 pm

Billy Batz wrote:Larry knows his stuff and its very easy to hear the difference he's talking about. So why dont they just do it right? The funny thing is that most people seem to believe a company like marshall with all its money would do it right. No a company like marshall doesnt need to do it right to sell amps. They have a legendary name and a huge marketing budget. So they use whats cheapest as they always did. I think youll find that common to all major manufacturers Mesa, Fender, etc.. Upgrading them will make them all sound more musically pleasing to varying degrees but they dont have to do it so they wont. Look at Mesa. They wont even bias their tubes to any decent operating level for the sole reason of giving you the illusion of a convenient amp that biases itself when its just set to be biased super cold also making you think their shitty tubes last 2x as long as they would. There are plenty of modern people building great amps out there but theyre not so cheap.

Tranys and tubes are both reliant on metallurgy which is different today due to expense and laws. Its not just a bunch of people who are in an emperors new clothes situation. Thats mostly said by people with zero experience. They havent tried it theyre just attacking something they dont understand or maybe its that they just dont care to which is fine for them. If its not important to you thats fine. Noone said you needed vintage tone to sound great. But thats an unwise attitude to a vintage amp site! LOl. the difference is easily apparent.

Yeah today with all the technology some may wonder why they dont do it but I find it pretty obvious when I cant buy anything that isnt a complete piece of cheaply made shit.

+1 , Dan said it right there, perfectly explained!!!!

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