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Post by Bainzy » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:26 am

Has anyone tried this for fretboards? Supposedly it sounds close to Brazilian Rosewood, and it looks pretty good too. Here's an all-Ziricote neck by Warmoth:

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I'm trying to get hold of some in large quantities for making some fretboards with, I've already picked up enough Padauk for 6 fretboards which should turn out really nice.
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Post by jngreene79 » Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:57 pm

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Post by JimiJames » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:37 am

Bainzy wrote:.............Has anyone tried this for fretboards? Supposedly it sounds close to Brazilian Rosewood, and it looks pretty good too.
There is a test you can do only if you have a piece of real Braz.
You'll need a piece the size of the first fret.
Like a coin, toss/flick it on a table and hear it's chiming qualities.
If it pings like a coin your good to go. If you do this and it goes thud, well...large quantities are out of the question...


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Post by St August » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:08 am

JimiJames wrote:
Bainzy wrote:.............Has anyone tried this for fretboards? Supposedly it sounds close to Brazilian Rosewood, and it looks pretty good too.
There is a test you can do only if you have a piece of real Braz.

Like a coin, toss/flick it on a table and hear it's chiming qualities.



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Post by JimiJames » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:38 am

St August wrote:
JimiJames wrote:
Bainzy wrote:.............Has anyone tried this for fretboards? Supposedly it sounds close to Brazilian Rosewood, and it looks pretty good too.
There is a test you can do only if you have a piece of real Braz.

Like a coin, toss/flick it on a table and hear it's chiming qualities.



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Post by Bainzy » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:44 pm

JimiJames wrote:There is a test you can do only if you have a piece of real Braz.
Fortunately I already have some! I'll try that test, and I'm also gonna try out a new hardwood for necks called "Amazaque" or "Shedua". It looks pretty funky and is around the same price as most other neck blanks from my local English tonewood supplier so I'll build a strat neck out of it and post the results. :D
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Post by Tone Slinger » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:04 pm

Damn Bainzy, I think it's cool that your not only great with amp circuit's, but now getting into guitar building ! I have been aware of how different woods sound. It can make as much difference as swapping around resistor/capacitor values in an amp. You know the heart wood of Ash, the darker striped figuring ? That part of the wood has open pores in it that makes that wood have a very good sustaining quality. Combine that with the fact that the northern species is very "Hard" fiber wise and you got the main reason that it is "The" wood when using a humbucker. Keep us posted on your result's, I'm not very familiar with the wood your usin.

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Post by Bainzy » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:15 pm

I guess that's a double-edged sword though - since the open grain and pores are what makes northern ash such a terrible wood to put a finish over - I always try and do a pure nitrocellulose finish for simplicity but with ash it's just do difficult, the grain filler has be used a few times first.
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Post by Tone Slinger » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:43 am

Yeah your right, not the easiest. My old Alder strat has been stripped and painted twice ( I did the VH1 stripes on it long ago ) Now I have it bare with just a little nitro, sorta worn lookin like a Relic. Alder is easy to finnish. Those necks you got must be similar to rosewood ? It would be cool, cause then you wouldnt have to finnish or oil them. That sorta tung-oil feel with no maitenance.

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Post by Bainzy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:57 pm

Yeah I'm hoping they don't have to be finished - if they do, I'll probably do a satin clear coat. I don't know a great deal about the wood to be honest, I've never seen it in use in commercial guitar manufacture, just high end acoustic guitars - but the consensus about it seems to be good there.
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Post by JeffG. » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:45 pm

I use it on the lathe for pens. Doesn't have any weird characteristics, won't kill you like cocobolo :lol: As with all exotics wear a good dust mask and don't let any of it get down your pants :shock:

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Post by Bainzy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:58 pm

lol - I've got 2 sweet looking cocobolo boards for my doubleneck lined up, what are the actual possible side effects of inhaling Cocobolo dust, and is a decent dust mask enough protection for working with it?
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Post by JeffG. » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:23 pm

Bainzy wrote:lol - I've got 2 sweet looking cocobolo boards for my doubleneck lined up, what are the actual possible side effects of inhaling Cocobolo dust, and is a decent dust mask enough protection for working with it?
It varies depending on the person. Really strange stuff. Its from the sumac family, so thats the same as poison ivy. And it builds up over time too. So for example it might not do anything to you now, but two years from now you won't be able to tolerate it.

I love it for pens and inlays and it does nothing to me at this point. I wear a basic paper mask and try to minimize the exposure. Several of the guys in my turning club have very bad reactions to it. One guy went to the hospital after the dust got in his lungs. And one of the guys at the local Woodcraft won't even pick up a blank when I bring it to the counter. I wouldn't use it on a fingerboard without sealing it.

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http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516056_2
http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/ ... xicity.htm

Ipe is what gets to me. I continue to use it because its cool to work with but I have to be careful. I'm not shitting you, I got dust from the table saw down the front of my pants and got a rash from my waistline to about half way to my knees.

Try explaining that to your wife. :oops:

I went through a phase where I used a lot of paduak and had no issues. I continue to use large quantities of ebony and that seems fine too, but I can see where ebony dust could get to you if a guy wasn't careful.

So now my dust collection is strong enough to pull your eyeballs out. I'm not known for being overly cautious, but I'm careful with breathing fumes and dust.

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Post by Bainzy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:37 pm

Interesting - I was kindof looking forward to having these Cocobolo fretboards bare (just oiled), which is a bit of a shame. The dust mask I'm using isn't a paper one, it's a heavy duty rubber one with big filters on the sides (each side has 2 stages of filters) - hopefully this should do the job adequately. I could always still smell the nitrocellulose when spraying with dust masks, even doubled up, but with this mask it's perfect - just like I'm breathing mountain fresh air, lol.
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Post by JeffG. » Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:52 pm

I haven't shot nitro yet. I'm still trying to figure out how to get a booth to fit in my garage, plus I have to spring for the equipment. The whole thing is going to be tricky, my construction space will have to be the same as my spray area.

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