National Steel Modded With a DeArmnd Pickup How Bad...

fillmore nyc · Post by **fillmore nyc** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:04 pm

wide slide wrote:I'll be gettin this National tomorrow or Tuesday, but I'll want to keep the Mojo intact, meaning I'll keep it the basic way it is. So I'm wondering who would be able to rewind this old 5 pole pickup and get it close spec. wise to where it was?

Not only the windings would need to be counted but other factors are related to it, like the wire size and type. Can a pickup be duplicated without ever hearing the original?

I wish I knew what this old pickup sounded like.

mrk

Pm either "winder", or WCR (Jim Wagner). Im sure one of them could help you out.

wide slide · Post by **wide slide** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:23 am

Thanks Fill!!!

Hey here's a post on a forum that shares alot on resonator / dobro guitars.
Interesting The single cone reso's are beginning to get modded more and more with pickups by a few contemporary artists. National Lace seem to be the pickup of choice. The choice of best amp seems to be an open issue.
I did see an old clear picture recently of E James with what looked like the same 5 pole DeArmond pup in an acoustic.

BTW this original single cone Nat Reso is Loud and rich with alot of subtle
tones. Its not tinny like a tri cone. Sliding is less cutting and more warmer or haunting.

mrk

http://www.guitarseminars.com/ubb/Forum ... 19479.html

fillmore nyc · Post by **fillmore nyc** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:43 am

wide slide wrote:BTW this original single cone Nat Reso is Loud and rich with alot of subtle
tones. Its not tinny like a tri cone. Sliding is less cutting and more warmer or haunting.

Im suprised that you feel that a tricone is tinny sounding. They DO have a different sound than a single cone, but to me, tricones are kinda specialized. More midrangey, but a "good" tricone doesnt sound tinny to my ears. I think they do have more overtones and more complexity to their tone than a single cone guitar, but on the flip side, a single cone sounds more raw and aggressive, especially a steel bodied Nat.
I have both--a very early steel body "Style O" single cone, and a German Silver body Style 1 Tricone. The Style O is LOUD, and as raw as they come. The tricone sounds different, but I'd never call it tinny. Almost more sophisticated in its tone than the single cone Nat, but its all personal preference. (Apples/oranges, you know??)

wide slide · Post by **wide slide** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:10 pm

Ok Fill... mia cupa..

yeah ,it does have a complex sonic element to its sound. I don't have one here to compare, but it sure doesn't have the rich deep bloom this single cone has. ( 5 pole pickup ??? not an accident )
Any way yes, but I can tune the single cone to standard and its sounds
full and rich, but these old things are great for off intervals, tunings.
BTW I can make this sound complex like a sitar a la Paint It Black
or Raw. M Davis So What sounds good too, this, a tricone I don't think could do. The Big knock on the single cone nationals are the neck playability ( useually not good ) but as you can see I must have got a special run with the V shape. ( Back to Necks ) its the best V shape neck I've ever played, Full but slim, and the ability to leverage off the V shape for chording makes this neck special.

wide slide · Post by **wide slide** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:18 pm

I didn't mention this while the auction was on so not for some reasom drive up the bid, but IMO the arytst or person who put this 5 pole pickup in new exactly why. Agaign IMO

These Sinlge cone old Nats are so bottom heavy ( in a great way9 with there sound that to omit one of the bass poles is calculated.IMO )

Since I has a very obvious played vintage rig I'm not going to alter it at all just so I can get the pups to work so I have to talk myself out of messing with it.

There could be many reasons the pups arn't working. Using a dental mirror I see a fault in the input wireing, but with the metal body the pups may be bad.

wide slide · Post by **wide slide** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:09 pm

Interesting about this old metal Body with an old PUP mod is as was mentioned in another forum I don/t read much but posted her is that the opinion that the holesw in the neck are for added string tuners is right on.

The obvious serious player used this at some point as ten string probably to lighten up the tone. at ome point i'll post a sound clip but this resonator is on the low Dark side and loud. The bone nut is finely cut with a narrow gap side by side the top 4 strings and I see wear of other strings on the head.

Interesting little tid bit.

this and all player guitars needs to be played. The more I play it the better it gets/ it seems