Stage Volume

[blfrd]

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Why even bother bringing a 1/2 stack then. Talk about restrictor plate.

- WOT

That top baffle is a little 'over the top' IMHO.

You can buy plexiglass and make your own, however last time I checked, it was almost as much as buying one theirs.

[demonufo]

I never thought of putting the cab on it's back!

I wonder if this would work on my detuned cab, or would the bottom end disappear? I'll try it tomorrow.

[6string]

I made a plexiglas shield and it works great. From last week:



- WOT

Nice Super!
How do like the Fulltone Tape Echo?

[blfrd]

I made a plexiglas shield and it works great. From last week:



- WOT

Nice Super!
How do like the Fulltone Tape Echo?

Screw the TTE...

Where'd you get that rug!!

Is that the King Camaya Maya Club?

I know the bartender, Rick. Good guy.

[worldoftone]

Actually it's one of the best clubs in town to play at. We've had a steady gig in there for 3 1/2 years. Can't vouch for their interior decorator though . . .

TTE is great. A/Bed it with my '67 EP-2 and a Danelectro Reel Echo. It literally blew them both away. That's why I bought it.

Freaking great.

- WOT

[Grosh_Guitars]

take a look at these:


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That's not Rock and Roll!

[Guitar-Sam]

Just turn down. I have been the guy at the sound board trying to get a good mix on the band only to give up to some degree because I can't get the guitar player to turn down. If the sound guy has to bring everything up to get a balance on the band and the guitar is the loudest thing, then the club is going to empty. I have seen it happen and it really sucks for everyone involved. Especially the bar and they will probably not have your band back. Not to mention, you do want to be able to hear your grandchildren when you get older, right? I guess I may be doing something wrong. I can get the tone I want with turning my Carvin X-100B to about 2 on the master volume of both the clean and dirty channels. That way, I can still hear myself (sidewashing mind you) the rest of the band can hear me and the sound guy can get me into the mix so we sound good.

+1 Taking the Control outta the sound man's hands is ***THE*** worst thing ***ANY*** band can do to them selves and to there following.
We had this guy in one of my bands for awhile.We went from packing clubs to the band noone would come see cause it was painfully loud and its taken two years after parting ways with this guy,to live that down.
Generaly he would drown us out with the whole band mic'ed and him just stage volume.One night I got so pissed off I threw my hands in the air in the middle of a solo and stood on the side of the stage.When your ear is in the cabinet and you still hear the other guy louder than yourself......screw it!!!! YOU WIN,you are the star,wank that thing like your 2" peter.
Face it at the wall,attenuate,use smaller amp etc...etc........But # 1 is CAN YOU HEAR EVERY INSTRUMENT EQUAL WHEN YOUR INFRONT OF THE BAND???Balance is key and leaving headroom for the sound man to use the PA is also key.No two ways around it.

[brofoxx]

I fire my amps into a thick futon cushion and the over all volume is such that i can almost have a conversation on stage. I use IE monitors and the clarity and detail I have is cd quatlity. I hear every nuance of my technique plus my vocals are not strained. After an hour of solid playing I have no ringing or freq loss. I'll never go back to dimed amps and beaming wedges!

cheers!

[Roe]

my drummer is so loud that I can easily use a 50watter. I get asked to turn down before the soundman hear the drummer. afterwards, he will tell me to turn up the volume. the same has happened several times with both my bands - the trummer is the same

[worldoftone]

Or . . . tell the bass player to turn up.

Used this last Saturday:





-WOT

[Tone seaker]

I use a old marshall with a attenuator that has two volumes with a foot switch. I have one volume set to match the band for rock rythyms and the other louder so I can go over the top for rock leads or turn my strats volume knob down for clean rythyms and blues leads

[ghettoshelf]

Our guitar player runs a 74 Superlead with the channels jumped together and one vol on about 6 and the other on 9 with a Fulltone Fulldrive.I run a 1970 SVT with 2 8x10's on about 6.The drummer plays a double bass 24" single 14 and 18 floor Ludwig set and beats the living piss out of them in rooms that hold 200-500 people.Although we are probably excessive on volume we do listen to each other and when it is all said and done we do have a good mix.Even soundmen who complain when we first fire up individually usually don't complain in the end other than saying it was loud.The main problem with some bands is they don't listen to each other.If we can't hear each other it is resolved by the second song or before the first one starts.We also use one cabinet each if the room calls for it when we walk in.Years of playing at high volume levels and paying attention to the opening bands volume and the way the room and PA work with each other determine the amount of equipment on stage.Sometimes we run 2 SVT's and a 50 JCM 800 with the Superlead.Gotta pay attention to your bandmates and play nice.The whole plexiglass thing is just crap.Use a smaller amp if you can't stand the volume or move to Branson and play for the Oak Ridge Boys or Andy Williams.

[T.L.]

If you "turn down", you can't hear yourself. Steve Vai uses wedge-monitors that are loaded with Celestion guitar speakers, so that he doesn't have to have his backline too loud but can still hear himself well. I am gonna start doing the same thing in the near future...

[jcmjmp]

I've heard this guy play and yes, he's effing loud, louder than the rest of the band - guitar was THE loudest thing in the room.
I totally understand the need to play loud to get a certain feel out of the amp but there's is a limit for it to sound good in a band context and in the FOH mix.

There's a couple of things that can help.

1) Never point the amp into the stage, towards the singer. You'll get away with more volume on your side without having him complain.
2) Place the edge of the 4x12 at the same depth as the snare drum or slightly behind it so the drummer can hear you but not so loud that you're blazing in his ears. (this may vary from venue to venue and monitor mix)
3) Set the drums and guitar as far back of the stage as possible. That way, you can walk out to the front of the stage and hear yourself better than if the cab is right on your ass.
4) If you have a sound guy, DO NOT start playing until the drummer starts banging on his skins. That way, he won't complain about you as much.
5) You need a LOUD drummer.
6) Plexi Shield is a great solution.
7) Get a THD Hotplate and set it to -4db or -8db
Get a lower wattage amp
9) Get lower efficiency speakers

The only time I ever get to crank an amp and get away with it with no attenuator is with a LOUD drummer is a semi large venue (350 people) with a JTM45 clone or an Orange Tiny Terror (not as loud drummer). The JCM800 2204 can never be run without an attenuator, anywhere (for me).

[Roe]

I've been playing many gigs with cranked 50watters and a few with a cranked 45/100. never with an attenuator. band is used to it and even some of the sound men get used to it.