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I recently sold my JMP 2203... a very sad thing, but I'm hoping the proceeds will be put to good use =)

I've always wanted a LP. Been looking at Traditionals at GC for the last few weeks. About $2000 with some 15% coupon deal is the best I could do. Anyway I decided to pull the trigger on - something a bit different...after not being totally amazed by what $2000 would get me... I grabbed this Tokai from a local seller in FL.

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The best part is, the guitar is virtually in unplayed condition. There's zero signs of use, wear, etc... anywhere on the guitar. If it weren't for the '06 serial number, I would have sworn this was 2012 new production right off the assembly line.

To top it off, there's still funding left to either build a 50 watter or possibly have George do some work on my 12000. Either way this feels like win. Anyone else happily in the MIJ LP clone camp? I know there's plenty of good studio's out there to be had at reasonable prices, but I couldn't be happier with how this particular guitar feels and sounds.

I have a Tokai Silver Star strat from the early 80s (great guitar) but I've never seen a japanese LP in person. Nice guitar you have there! Make some videos with it.

I have two Tokai's LP law suite, one is a LS-65 from 1985 and the other one is a LS-150 from the '90's. Those two babies sound awesome and very confortable to play with. I did some upgrades: humbucker's set, '50s wiring and both are equiped with Callaham's ABR-1 and stop-bar. They are extremely well build with attention to the details too.

Congrats for your new LP!!!

I have a Tokai LP copy, it is a recent one - given to me by one of my patients (a guitar playing doc I treated for free) signed by Motorhead

It is not bad (made in China) but I dropped in a Bare Knuckles Mule in the bridge a BB2 in the neck, push/push coil tap CTS pots, decent bridge and PIO caps with 50's wiring. Then had Martyn Booth do a set up.

His comment was (bear in mind he worked for Gibson in the 70's before going to Yamaha) that this one was ok but the older Japanese ones were much better made than Gibsons and the recent Japanese ones still excellent value.

Mine plays nicely but it sounds absolutely stunning in 'rock mode'

In 1987 I bought a brand new Japan Tokai "Love Rock" (headstock decal said "Love Rock" in the shape of "Les Paul Model"). It was a copy of a sunburst '59 Les Paul and cost me $500 brand new with hardcase. The side binding was not as deep and the frets were even larger than Gibsons, but other than that, it totally kicked ass. Too bad I was an idiot and sold it later during the "divorce"... The sad faces is for the loss of the guitar- Not the woman... I Recently picked up a mint Gibson LP Traditional Plus in Iced Tea Sunburst for $1600 used last year. It's a NICE guitar, but that '87 Tokai could still give it a run for it's money any day...

Well, to be honest I never thought japanese LP replicas were on the same or better level than Gibsons. But like I said, I've never played one or heard one in person. My judgement comes only from various video/sound samples on YT. I would love to be mistaken though! I love my Tokai strat and would love to have as good or better Les Paul as well. (Greco, Tokai, Burny or Orville) I read somewhere all these companies used african mahogany for their Les Pauls though. But I heard the same rumour about 59 Gibsons as well. I wonder where the truth is. Anyway I'll be happy to hear thoughts from all of you touched by the japanese craftsmanship.

I can't resist.

African mahogany is like Chilean sea bass. No such actual thing.. sorry, can't stop myself. It's Sapele. Heavy as steel and taps out like glass. Makes a 10 pound SG. All ribbons and long grain points.

When Gibson runs out of mahogany, they find someting new to call mahogany, then everyone follows.



Original Gibsons (glory days) are all 100% Honduras mahogany. Weighs at MOST 1/2 what Sapele does, and figure is very rare.

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It doesn't seem to be the same kind of wood.

There is no true mahogany from Africa.

Google Sapele species, and Mahogany species. These trade terms are VERY ambiguous, and should be considered as such.

You can either listen to me, or listen to Gibson. I have no reason to tell you anything but truth. I have nothing for sale, and 30 years experience.

I have a '88 limited run, one piece 'African Mahogany' Dinky strat. It is EVERYTHING, in terms of tone, that mahogany is, and isnt super heavy. You can look at the grain and see BIG similarities to it and Honduran. Close enough for me, but the older crop Honduran used back in the day was obviously much more consistant looking and sounding I'd say.

GREAT looking Les Paul Bainful !

The modern Japanese guitars are better than modern American 'equivalents' imo. The mid '70's to mid '80's Japanese guitars (Ibanez, Greco, Tokai, etc) not only were better than same era American (Gibson, Fender) guitars, but equalled the quality of the '50's- '60's American.
Alot of people have a hard time accepting that, but just go to some guitar shows and see/play for yourself.

I've been looking for a '70's era Greco flying V for some time, The Modern 'Edwards' (Japan) are the only currently made V's that use the '70' Gibson flying V style. Gibson only currently use the '67 Flying V specs.

Tone Slinger wrote: Alot of people have a hard time accepting that, but just go to some guitar shows and see/play for yourself.

Yes! I'd be one of those people! I'll argue against that til my breath runs out.

Agreed on modern Japanese guitars. Since the mid-80s vintage 50s/60s Japanese line of Fenders, I have no ida why there is a company called Fender in the USA. The electronics are the cheapest non-Korean/Chinese garbage ever, but the hardware, neck, body and quality of finish are excellent. Never a dog in that pile.

got a ls370 recently, have had a ls320 for a while. both are good, although the former needed some work

got a ls370 recently, have had a ls320 for a while. both are good, although the former needed some work

How good are you talking? Compared to new Gibson LPs..

jimmyride wrote:

got a ls370 recently, have had a ls320 for a while. both are good, although the former needed some work

How good are you talking? Compared to new Gibson LPs..

they compare to the old guitars rather than the new ones, at least in terms of specs. the 370 and 320 use honduras mahogny etc. However, individual guitars always differ somewhat. the 370sounds particularly punchy and is great for riffing. the 320 is bluesier.

Reeltarded wrote:There is no true mahogany from Africa.

Google Sapele species, and Mahogany species. These trade terms are VERY ambiguous, and should be considered as such.

You can either listen to me, or listen to Gibson. I have no reason to tell you anything but truth. I have nothing for sale, and 30 years experience.

I found this and it supports what RT is saying.

Mahogany - African, Honduran, SapeleHonduran Mahogany, Swietenia macrophylla, used to be exported mainly from Honduras, but now comes more often from Brazil. We also offer African Mahogany of the genus Khaya, and Sapele of the genus Entandrophragma, which is a little heavier and finer textured than Honduran Mahogany. They are all fine woods for guitars due to their relative low cost, ease of working, and stability. Sides can be difficult to bend because of variation in density within the piece (less water in bending is better than more). Colors range from light pink to medium brown to reddish brown. The figure on well-quartered pieces is the characteristic stripe resulting from interlocked grain.