'69 style JMP50 1987 build with lots of NOS parts

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'69 style JMP50 1987 build with lots of NOS parts

Post by shakti » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:05 am

One of the great thrills of building amps is the build-up to that first moment of plugging in. The second best is unveiling it here...so for your pleasure, here's my latest build. I hadn't really thought to do this amp, but I couldn't help myself when I chanced upon some more NOS parts. I've owned plenty of original 1986 model amps, and the bass style or early Plexi EL34 50-watter has always been one of my favourite Marshalls. I built a "two-in-one" '67-68 style JMP50 1986 with switchable "'67" and "''68" modes earlier this year (thread still active). But I had a thirst for something gainier for an all-out fun rocking amp, that would also give me some fat, searing fusion-y lead tones. I'm a huge McLaughlin fan (hence my screen name), but also love Allan Holdsworth's tone with Tony Williams Lifetime around '75-76. After a bit of reasearch I found out he used a standard 50W Marshall. I haven't been able to find out what model or what year, some sources said it was a Plexi. In any case, my 1986 build doesn't have that type of gain, so I decided to build this '69 style 50-watter.

Usually I go for lower filtering and medium gain tones, but since I already have plenty of the early JTM45-style preamp amps, I decided to go for something different this time. My 12-series build has ended up with late-'68 specs (50uF mains, 16uF screens, 100uF PI filtering, and 490-500V plate voltage), which means it's not as compressed and gainy as most people's 12-series amps, who usually go for EVH tones. I'm more after late period Hendrix tones or Trower tones, so those specs suit me well. To make this amps stand out even more from my 12-series though, I decided to go for the more aggressive '69 specs vs the earliest split cathode 50-watters, which still had 50uF mains filtering, and usually 40uF each for screens and PI.

This new amp has 100uF mains, 50uF screens and 50uF PI filtering. I went with 32+32 for the preamp as that is correct for a '69, but I also wanted to maintain a bit of touch sensitivity/compression, and I think going to 50+50 in the preamp kills a bit too much of that. Preamp is a stock '69 style, but with 820R/0.68uF for the cathode on channel 1. I'm not sure when (if ever?) the 50-watters went to 2k7, but there are photos of what looks like a '69 (probably early '69) with WIMA red cathode caps and 820R cathode resistors for both V1A and V1B. Negative feedback is 47k on the speaker jack. RS silver micas, mustards, WIMAs for the 0.68uFs, Iskra resistors. I'm still looking for another Iskra 82k and a 15k for the bias circuit, but other than that it's all good. M e r r e n 784-139 clone and C1999 3H choke clone, Marstran 1202-118 PT clone. Sparky front panel, Valvestorm rear panel and bits. Castelco front switches. Still looking for a head cab, but am talking to Chris Uff and will probably order from him. I currently have a pair of RFT 60s short base EL34s that I got from Andy (setneck) - superb tubes! Waiting for some more preamp tubes, but tested the amp yesterday with a Tungsram in V1 and V3, and Tesla E83CC in V2. It sounds exactly as I wanted it! Bridging the channels, it gets a fat, searing, articulate lead tone almost right from the start, even with no bright cap! By bringing in channel 2, I can control the amount of "fat", and even introduce a little bit more sag right at the end of the dial, where the gain makes the amp compress and breathe. I like it even more than I would have expected, very fun amp to play and very "liquid". The high filtering means there's no ghosting, but it doesn't feel too stiff like I think some 100-watters with high filtering can do. Cleans up to a sort of cutting clean tone, quite a different feel to the clean tone versus the earlier amps, but very useful nevertheless. I can see why this is Doyle's favourite 50W Marshall spec, even though it's hard to bump the 1986 off the throne for me...

Here are some photos - enjoy!
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Re: '69 style JMP50 1987 build with lots of NOS parts

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Re: '69 style JMP50 1987 build with lots of NOS parts

Post by bill bokey » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:19 am

Wow !! :clap: :rock:

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Re: '69 style JMP50 1987 build with lots of NOS parts

Post by neikeel » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:53 am

:rock:

This is my favourite spec Marshall, plenty of gain for me, nice cleans, grit and crunch all in one package 8). Mine has virtually as much gain in plexi mode as it does when cascaded. 8)
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Post by Did J » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:21 pm

Still a great pleasure to read about your researches and your builds are sharing a lot of inspiration... Well, as you know I'm in the same train but it appears that you get a first class ticket and lets say more economical for me :mrgreen:
So you are "Still looking for a head cab", aren't you? Maybe you'll be interested by this small cab replica that a clever friend of mine builds in Hungary, here are some pictures:
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I bought one for my JMP 50 '69 build, black levent tolex, gold pipping, gold handles, Marshall vintage logo. Brian's chassis fits exaclly inside it. Let me know if your still after a small cab for your JMP :wink:

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Post by shakti » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:27 pm

Thanks! Only glad to spread some inspiration - I get that all the time from other builds around here!
That head cab looks very good! I've already started talking to a cab maker in the UK, but if that doesn't work out this will be high on my list! Thanks for the tip. I already have a Music Ground (phew!) logo for it though...
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Re: '69 style JMP50 1987 build with lots of NOS parts

Post by lautmaschine » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:52 pm

That's a lovely looking amp. Curious - does anyone know when 2K7's were used on V1B? I checked the Marstran site and every split they mention seems to have an 820R regardless of year.

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Post by shakti » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:51 am

Good question.

On 100-watters it seems the 820R /0.68uF combo was short-lived. On most amp photos it's impossible to tell, but I can only remember maybe one or two 100-watters where the amp is untouched and has this combination. Virtually all the 12-series amps I've seen have been with the 2k7 /0.68uF combo for V1B, which suggests that the 820R was only used for a short time. I may be completely wrong about that though.

On the 50-watters, however, it seems to be a different story. I based this amp off off these photos:
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It's listed as a '68 at the Marstran site, but I'm guessing more like early '69, due to the WIMA 0.022uF caps and red 0.68uF caps, which is typically seen on some batches of 100-watters from early '69 with the 6 filter cap chassis. Anyway, there are more photos at the Amp Archive, and you can clearly see the 820R/0.68uF combo on V1B.

Edit: I can see from the photos of 10513 and 10514 that some of the WIMA 0.022uF caps have C8 dates codes, some are B8. So the amps *could* be late '68.
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Post by lautmaschine » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:12 pm

Thanks for that. The earliest schematics I've been able to find are dated 1970 and both show the .68uF / 2K7 combo, with a 330uF / 820R on V1a. I'll keep scouring to see if I can come up with something.

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Post by Roe » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:32 am

looks very nice indeed. what plate voltage do you prefer? and do you use 470R screen resistors?
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Post by shakti » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:10 am

I used 470Rs because I was out of 1ks. Plate voltage is around 425, so 470 should be sufficient.
I haven't tried it at the lower voltage yet, but I might like that.
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Post by neikeel » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:45 pm

Pretty sure my mid 68 has 820R on both 0.68 bypassed cathodes.
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Post by Big Mike » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:34 am

Gorgeous build as always! and I LOVE the small .68s! Looks so much easier to deal with.
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