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Post by jnewlyn » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:37 am

bjm007 wrote:I gotta chime in here as well. I've had a zillion old Marshalls... Sold a lot of them before most of you were born... At the moment, I'm buying a few boutique Marshalls here and there to relive a bit of the fun I had playing these beasts as a kid (picture below...)

I can tell you right off the bat that I don't think most of you are giving the HW a fair hearing here. If you haven't played a few of them first hand, then you really cannot make a good judgement. An MP3 does not give you an accurate picture of the tone of an amp (IMO).

I actually like the HW for what it is, and I'm a real picky bastard... You MUST drop the bright cap down from 4,700pF to 100pF, which is why it sounds so awful to most people when they first demo it. (I can't figure out why Marshall would put that value in there... not a good choice...) But once you change that, it sounds much better than some of you are giving it credit for.

You've just gotta look at it for what it is. I'll admit its expensive... Although $2,800 is the typical street price, it can be had for much less if you haggle... So for those of you that want an amp that actually was built by Marshall, you should at least play this amp and see for yourself what you think...

Do I like George's 12000 better? Yes, absolutely... But they are very different from each other... Greg Germino's Headroom 100 '68 Plexi is also a very cool amp as well which I just bought last month as well and I'm diggin the daylights out of that one... in it's own way.

These amps are ALL somewhat different from each other. At the end of the day, they all do what they do pretty well. They are each very unique. I'll probably swap out the signal caps in my HW, just because it's such an easy and inexpensive thing to do. Hell, I enjoyed experimenting with my Metro 12000 as well. That was a great experience. In the end I found out what I liked and what I don't. It's probably different than what each of you like as well.

I'm not saying you should run out and buy one... My point is, don't just take somebody's word for it. Go try 3-4 HW's and see for yourself what you think. Remember to jump channels, because it's the only way you can tame a little of that damn bright cap to hear what the amp really sounds like......... Otherwise, but it from a place you can return it and go home and swap the bright cap to a 100pF and see for yourself. If you don't like it, take it back! :shock:

Just my 2 cents ...........................

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I'm with you on this one. The first 3 or 4 that I heard, I thought OK, it's a good sounding amp. Pricey as hell but good sounding. Then a friend got yet another one due to the fact that they kept crapping out on him and this latest one absolutely kills. And like I mentioned before, it reminded me how even back in the 70's when these were around in much more abundance, 1 in like 12 or 15 just had it's own special magic about it and was like a little slice of heaven. So like it's mentioned above, play through a few before taking the advice of everyone else and/or just a few MP3's. On the flip side, it is way cheaper to build one. And once you've done that, you can tweak to exactly what your looking for. Buying a HW is a bigger gamble to get exactly what you want unless you can demo a truck load of them. In that case, if you've got the $$, your set.

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Post by yngwie308 » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:35 pm

I finally have been able to try my 2nd replacement HW at mid yo upper volumes.
I must say it sounds to me like my old metalfront '73 Superlead,but with a little more clarity and definition.
If you want to read my long dealings with Marshall/Korg,Guitar Center,look on Harmony Central under 1959HW,I am listed as Yngwie 308 and Malmsteen 308.
I told George, after I had found out about Metro Amps and his forum that I couldn't believe what a dissapointment the whole Handwired experience has been for me.
I love my HW 4X12 cabs,they sound like my original 1982A cab a lot.
There are some detail differences as Marshall admits,the enclosures for the metal handles were metal as well if my memory dosen't decieve me.
Also on the B cab the originals had metal fittings for the casters to reside in.
I go a long way back wih Jim Marshall products.
As a teenager in London,I worked at the USAF airbase warehouse during the summers to save for my first amp.
This was a 1968 1959 Superlead head,with a 1982A angle front cab G12H-30's,salt and pepper,with a rare taller square cab with greenback 25M's loaded.
I purchased this equipment from Jim Marshall's original shop in Hanwell,London.
I used to take the 'tube',underground railway to Ealing Broadway,and walk the rest of the way.
I also bought my Dallas Arbiter blue Fuzzface there and my Italian manufactured Crybaby wah pedal there.
I was 14 years old in 1968 when I bought all this.
I used to love to go to this shop as they had some many later to be highly sought after Marshall amps.They were the factory outlet for the London area.
I remember a whole wall of Deep Purple's equipment from their last tour on display,with their name stencilled on the sides.
Marshall Majors were there,but they were not particularly popular then.
The salesman advised me against buying the DP equipment because in his words they had been 'knackered' through the hard use of touring at the time.
Jimi Hendrix was one of my first huge influences,along with Eric Clapton in Cream and Jeff Beck.
I convinced them at the shop to connect up three 100 watt stacks for me,so I could get the feel for Hendrix's setup.
I could not play very well in those days,being a begginer but I remember
things falling off the walls from the sound pressure levels,I loved it!!
Also as a boy I remember the smell of burnt speaker cones from the Marshall speaker cabs,that electrical type smell of high power,when I had my stack in my bedroom I would come and inhale this.
This was intoxicating to me.
I preffered to use my Fuzzface mostly as it allowed me to sound better,and it really brought the amp to life.
I watched Jimi on tv and from pictures in the Melody Maker,how he used hid effect signal chain,I think I had to place the wah first as it would squeal
with the Fuzzface first in line.
They taught me a lot from Jim's store and as an American I was a bit unique coming in there,not too many of us there in those days!
They showed me how to only use the 120 watt cab singly with the head at 16 ohms,because the head was too much for the 100 watt cab.
I had original Marshall vinyl covers black with white piping on the edges,and the Marshall script logo 2" high in the corners.
Also I remember the original caster wheels they were a press fit and had very heavy duty construction,with ball bearings and I had two with fold down brakes on each cab.
My HW cab had a ding already from shipping from through the cardboard
and I could see hoe thin the vinyl they used was.The new cabs thoughj heavy from the larger magnets are still not as durably built as the originals and the gold braid is different too.
I originally had a transition logo 1965 Sunburst strat which my cousins sent me from New York,and with my coiled guitar leads,I had it made.
I remember disturbing the neigbors when i played.
My sister told me she could hear me playing a bock and a half away as she got off the school bus!
It was important to feel your trousers flap as it were,when you stood in front of the stack.
For the rest of my life I knew that Marshall would be one of the most important amps forever.
I used to take my stack on the train with the help of a friend,up and down stairs,running to bring the equpment on the train before the doors shut!
I sold all my equipment to some studio guys to save for a brand new 1980 Capri "S',as I was getting into cars more than.
My next Marshall was when I lived in Philadelphia in the late eighties.
I travelled back to England in Doncaster to search of a SL Plexi to replace my old one.
They didn't have a Superlead,but had what they called a square badge JTM Superbass,over here it seems to be called a reverse logo JTM.
It had a black rectangular logo with the JTM in gold in the middle,on the right side.It said loudness where the volumes were.
It had the flat lip cab with the vert thin vent across the top behind the handle.
I could see it had a replaced choke as it was a sheilded'shrouded' one.
Some messing around with the diodes in the power section and a 'custom' arrangement of some of the filter caps,which had rtv holding them from vibrating which I knew was not stock.
Otherwise it was in excellent condition,the Plexi p[anels immaculate.
The mains transformer was huge at least a three inch laydown,and the output a standup at least 2".
All the caps were underneath with a cover over where the cap behind the mains would be.
This amp was so loud with much headroom almost like a Highwatt.it would not breakup with a guitar much before the speaker cab would be shaken apart!
I spoke with Louis Romano from New York who makes blues combo amps now,Louis Elecrtic,I think.
He told me to swap out the output for a laydown from a '68 plexi he had and he would trade me.
I was hesitant because I didn'tant to affect the originality of the amp.
Sound familiar!
I am fairly new to having my own computer and I don't have a scanner,so I am going to Kinko's to put my original pictures on cd,George told me he could date it for me.
Years later I worked with Music Ground at the 1984 Chicago Vintage show
and as I upacked box after box of the most rare amps I had ever seen,I came across a JTM 100 Superlead,similar to my Superbass,but in average condition and heavily rewired,ect. internally.
Still I sold it to a guy who was only too happy to get it.
Besides one I saw in a picture of George Lynch's collection,I have not seen anyother square badge JTM amps.
I'm pretty sure that Marshall was using Plexi panels that wre limited to a certain time.
I always new it was pre JMP,but in the Marshall story there was no mention of it.
Getting back to the Chicago show,I met Tom Murphy,Edwin Wilson of the Gibson Custom shop soon to be Historic division.Also Jimmy Wallace from Dallas who had his own burst Les Paul model.
Edwin and Tom bought many Vox amps off Rick and Justin Harrison of Music Ground.
I drove Tom's van when we went out to dinner as they were all drinking,and I remember Tom sitting in at the show jam playing Sweet Home Chicago on the prototype '57 Goldtop Historic,which had the fatest neck and I had fallen in love with this guitar.It had a big ding in the bottom of the body but so what!
They only wanted 2K for it but I was a poor nursing student at the time and had no money!Also in bare wood the first '59 reissue body with the penciled in machine carving specs on it,it was too cool.
Back to when I was in England I remember my Superlead had been owned by the Bee Gees touring guitarist who had trade it for red Marshalls.
Believe it or not the custom colored Marshall's were not very desirable in the early days,and Bluesbreaker combos were a dime a dozen.I also saw the Marshall 4X15 cabinet's,the 8X10 cabs,and the old Marshall modular power builders.
When I bought amps from Music Ground in England I also bought a later JTM45 head with the reinforcing blocks each end,to keep the chassis from buckling,but it still bowed a little.
It had a whie back panel,again beautiful plexi front panel and had EL-34's fitted,the GZ-34 rectifier
This was from the last of the JTM's before the switch to the small box plexi 50 watters.
Also I found a 1973 Superlead Metal panel in Philly that had a burnt smell to it and was blowing fuses.It had aluminum foil over the ht fuse!
I bought it brought to my amp guy Jim Walton who was the guy in Philly then.
It had a simple short and was running in no time,I had a MV placed on the back panel and a cascading gain mod switched on in the back which would link the channels internally.
I have expressed to George how utterly dissapointed I am in Marshall for all this hype over the HW series,I have played the Lead and Bass 20 watt
and the 18 watt,they are ok,but not really like the originals I have played.
As I learned about the upcoming 1959HW I thought it was too good to be true,the recreation of the holy grail amp.
I should have known after the poor attempt withe the stock 1959SLP reissue and the average JTM 45 reissues that Marshall is making a low buck attempt to cash in on the botique craze.There wouldn't have to be such a strong undergound Marshall industry if they would learn from the past and really examine what made the early amps sound so good.
Their obsession with original materials,suppliers,blueprints,ect. Is a lot of BS.
If I had known about Metro Amps prior to buying the HW I would not have bought it,with cabs I paid over$5'200.
I had heard of Doug Roccaforte and Germino before,but thought it would be cool to have one bult by Marshall.
I was unable to pre try out the amp because no store in Arizona had ordered any amps they later only had the speaker cabs.
My first special order amp I had them return beause of an excessive hum somewhere in the preamp stage.
The replacement amp which came 5 weeks later due to a Guitar Center mixup,I had to replace the preamp tubes in the store,and had Joseph Gilmartin of Korg send me replacement 12AX7's.which were SovtekWA's.
Marshall told me about the inherent floor noise in the design but theseamps have a lot of noise,I think.
So having no money left I will wait to have my amp Metrosexualzed,and hope to build a copy of my JTM Superbass with George,with features of the '68 12000 series,like the changable plate voltages.
When I e-mailed the Marshall 'tech'support what the plate voltage was on the HW series he said he did not know and would get back to me.
This has been a rambling post,I do apologize but I know what these thing 'should' sound like and they don't.
As long as Marshall continue to buld replicas which look ok,yet when swithched on only dissapoint,I will never give them my money again.
Hope to have my photos soon,thanks for listening.I would like to add that George is one of the most helpful,nicest,music people I have ever encountered,there is hope for the Marshall afficiando yet.
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Post by mushmouth » Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:48 am

Yngwie, I read every word of that. What a fantastic tone journey you've had.

I tried to have this discussion with a friend who owns a guitar store, with him saying "No, they're EXACTLY like the old ones. They got it right..." and me giggling, knowing what's wrong with them.

If he ever actually gets one in to hear it and not just depend on his sales rep's hype, I'm going to bring my metro '68 100watt built by george and ruin his day.

I hope the rep is in the store. I'll ruin his day too. :)

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Post by daneswede » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:32 am

YNGWIE 308/DAVE

Whats up!

I figured you would come to Metroamp forums and start posting after your 1959HW experience. Did you post another updated Harmony Central review after you got the hum resolved in the Marshall? $5200!! dollars you spent total! Wow! Yup, Im into my 1959HW for $2800, the usual fair for a new one. AS I stated above, I will be sending it off to george for tweaking and im sure it will get the amp to where im totally happy with it. That is if it isnt sold by then :>) and I buy a Metroamp with the money !LOL!

I will admit right now that with a Tonebone Hot British ran into this amp and the channels bridged and running it into my 78 Marshall slant Rola BLackback G12M25 it sounds pretty good now. Nice sustain. Not the girth or aggression that im looking for exactly but exeptable. I just dont want "execptable" I want glory!

I just know what is to come after the tweaks and have the utmost confidence in this guy. I mean, It must be nice to constantly just tweak and build these monsters day after day. I would never get bored. Some time down the road im gonna bite the bullet and build one. RIght now I leave it to the pros!

WElcome to the Forums Yngiwe 308. ~!DAVE

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Post by yngwie308 » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:34 pm


Apologies to all,I have been trying to get my photobucket to work the way I want it to unsucessfuly,I wanted to attach files,but this is not working for me yet.
So I would like to continue with my walks down memory lane in my tonequest journey.
Without being disrespectful to Marshall,Plc,I would like to add that I am choosing to live in the past as far as their products go.
I am very excited to hear of George's new output transformer,my ideal setup would be a three stack setup comprising,the 12000 series '68 head,the JTM 45/100 Superbass spec,and the '67 100 watt head.
Using an amp splitter this would give the best of both worlds,to quote EVH.
I think Edward need to tour with George's amps as his backline,since he is back into recreating his olde style setup,re: the recent Charvel EVH art series,which I tried one of with my HW in the store and was severely dissapointed with.
This is a very exciting time for an old Marshall enthusiast like myself,I can't begin to express how fortunate I was to get my computer and discover Metropoulus Amps.George is doing it right and much success to him.
Thinking back to my old Fuzzface,I remember when I cranked the fuzz control up all the way I would pick up AM radio signals;usually some other European stations,but the overdrive I had then with my original Superlead Plexi was incredible.
I could get the multitonal feedback like on BOG Hendrix when he moves his guitar around,also on the Woodstock video the same thing.
I remember the day Jimi died,I was in downtown London,had gotten off the underground train and was walking home to my house in Wembley Park,a suburb of NW London near the famous Wembley Stadium.
I saw on a newspaper newsbill,on the outside of the newspaper vending machine"Wild man of pop dead,Hendrix dies".
I was in a state of shock as I walked home,my world of guitar seemed to have ended at 16 years old.
I couldn't have been more than 7 miles from Jimi's place of death at Monika's flat.
I have read a few posts regarding obtaining the Hendrix tone from various eras.During the sixties and seventies I religiously listened to all the Hendrix recording I could,all the bootlegs I special ordered from the States to England.
The key to the early '67 Experience sound is,as is always the case with Jimi,the use of the guitar volume control,controlling stacks of out of control early Marshalls on the verge of self destructing themselves.All the while Jimi fighting to keep his Strats in tune.The between songs raps show his frustration with the tone he was getting,knowing that it was not what he had in his head,the way it came out.
The Isle of Wight is a classic example,I have the original bootleg LP's and the aforementioned Fuzzface radio frequency bleed through is evident throughout the 2 LP set.You can hear the local police shortwave walkietalkies through his speakers as he fights to tame the amps.
In those days as I have stated before,the music stores in London did not stock valves.You had to buy them at radio/electrical supply stores.
I remember buying original Mullard EL-34's at such a shop,placing them in my amp,not knowing about rebiasing at the time,and getting squealing,horrible noise!I rember the original Marshall supplied speaker cables being white and being quite thick.
On my HW reissue,the speaker cables are a skinny cheap moulded joke.
Why didn't the Guvnor go all the way in recreating the original setups,I'm sure the original cable manufacturer could be tracked down,and the original blueprints found(being sarcastic here).
Probably the last true Marshall amp in my opinion was the early series JCM 800 4 input heads,try and find one! This is pre master volumes.
I have been looking through some old posts on the Metro Amp forum,and found some about Ken Fischer,the Trainwreck specialist in New Jersey.
I had quite a few memorable conversations with Ken about my vintage Marshall's and Vox amps.This was in the late eighties and early ninteties.
Even then Ken was suffering from the chronic fatique syndrome,which is still plaguing him to this day I believe.Ken was very helpfull about my 1966 JTM 45/100 watt Superbass at the time,I was trying I believe at the time to get a later type Plexi tone out of it,but just had as I described to George,just an immensly powerful,loud clean amp.No EVH tones out of this baby.I have mailed George my photo cd with all my pictures on it of my Superbass,and I think it is a JTM 45/100 with the JTM 50 watt transition reverse logo front panel.It had the JMP era real plexi panel with Superbass 100 watt.On the front the volume controls were labeled loudness,and it had the flat lip box,with the long thin vent on the top.
I bought this in England from Music Ground,my JTM 45 head I carried from London on the plane under my seat,not risking it in baggage!
The London music store scence was very exciting from the mid sixties through the seventies,and I loved going into town and goin down Shaftsbury Avenue from store to store,seeing famous musicians popping in and out all the time.
I have seen some great concerts in the early seventies,the Jeff Beck Group from the Rough and Ready era at the Roundhouse,which was a converted railway engine turntable roundhouse as it was called.
It had multitierd galleries and great swing open doors on the sides which were often opened in the summer as it was so bloody hot!
I had a drink with the pre Humble Pie Peter Frampton at a music venue/pub,and he was great in the Herd,his first group.How about Performance,Rockin' the Fillmore as an example of great early Plexi tone,they used 50 watt heads with single 4X12 cabs,as did the Allman Bros.I remember when I went to see bands then if I saw Marshalls in the backline I made sure to get near the stage in front of them!
My most deafening experience was at a Robin Trower concert at the Lyceum Theater,when Jeff Beck was seated up in one of the opera boxes.
I was right in front of the PA bins,and remember Robin had 3 or 4 100 watt stacks,with an amzing pedalboard setup even for those days.
When this pedal board when awry,Robin had to walk off the stage,as he could not play unaffected!I remember everyone booing,this was during the Bridge of Sighs era.On the train home I could not hear anything ,it was like I was underwater and my 'normal' hearing did not return until the next day.In those days PA systems were not used to mike up little guitar amps,the singer needed them,with the drummer and keyboard players,just to keep up with the guitarists and bassists.
Even in a small pub venue the guitarist would have at least two full Marshall stacks.The exception was Rory Gallagher,who played with a lone AC-30 propped up on a chair with maybe a blonde Bassman head and cab,miked up.
Rory's concert was one of the most memorable in my history of concerts,he was an incredible showman,on acoustic slide,with the battered,even then, Strat.Simply brilliant.
Beck,Bogert,Appice was another great gig at the Imperial College London,it was general admission only.I remember having a few pints of Guiness and having to take a leak ,but hanging tough as I would lose my place.
I was literally 3 feet away from Jeff the whole show as he played the famous '54 Les Paul Oxblood with those funky Univox amps at that time.I remember thinking 'what the hell amps are these?'
When Tim's bass setup quit working mid concert Jeff played an amazing scat type blues improvisation,unaccompanied which I remember to this day.Such a brilliant guitarist.
Recently last Nov I travelled to Tucson to see Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force,a description of my experience can be read on the 100% Malmsteen tribute site under Concert reviews,also on www.yngwie.org
my concert picturesa are shown.
This was another general admission show,which felt like I had been in a war after it was over!All I could really hear was Yngwie's guitar,but that did not matter.I got to meet him before the show and get his autograph,which was cool.
Another great musician I have met was Tom Keifer of Cinderella in a music store in Springfield,Pa.He wanted to buy my vintage Marshall amp collection,but it was not for sale at the time.In retrospect I wish I had sold them to him ,as I ended up selling them to Eric Bazilian of the Hooters,Cyndi Lauper"One of Us" fame.But thats another story.
Tom was coming back to the store with his ice tea burst '59 Les Paul which I could have played,but I was working 3-11 shift as a nurse and had to leave for work unfortunately.
I will try to get back to my original topic if I had one!
Jimi's tone some claim BOG is JTM100 watt heads.All of Jimi's USA equipment were JPM plexi heads ordered through the West Coast Organ and Amp service for a US tour.
I missed seeing Jimi's Albert Hall concert as people at my high school had tickets,but I didn't want to go with them!
Alot of JMH tone is in his extremely long fingers,but his before the amp signal chain is always key to the sound.The Marshalls were always on 10.and that how I got my best tone as a young lad,the Fuzzface and wah being key components in the signal path.
Hendrix's distortion is different to the later brown EVH or even AC/DC type tones.I would like to experiment with the KT-66 equipped Metro amp and a Fuzzface to see if it can be replicated.
The simplest setups are oft times the most difficult to reproduce.When you are a player of my modest abilities, you need all the help you can get!! Nobody matched tubes in those days,yet the early valves would withstand much higher voltages.In my 'experience',pardon the pun,Marshalls were so very reliable with much road abuse,and the Warren DeMartini mystique of the plexi with such high plate voltages,that you had to set up fans in front of the head and could only record for 15 minutes before it 'blew',gives the wrong impression.I found all my original vintage Marshall heads with screen grid resistors fitted to be highly reliable.
I did buy them in England,which at the time I knew to be more desirablr than having them Stateside .where people would cut holes for cooling fans and add extra knobs and switches.You need to boost the front end of early plexi's then as you do know.Whether it is with a Hot British Tonebone,Tubescreamer,Marshall Guvnor or Rat,whatever.
Yet you need power tube distortion in the mix for the best tone,so amp power attenuators seem to be key for the dimed sound.
Unfortunately in modern day Arizona,the Phoenix area,the music stores do not carry any THD ot Tonebone type products,so I cannot try before I buy as it were.I did this with my HW stack,hence my compounded dissapointment.
Now broke after the HW experience,I saw the JH100 watt stack for sale,but am skeptical about it's tone after my 1959 HW experience.
I will not buy another Jim Marshall new product ever again,only Metro amp products from now on,thak you very much!
If Jim Marshall is the 'father of loud',velvet George must be the"king of tone",in my estimation.Thanks to George and this forum for keeping the dream alive.Thanks to all for reading the ramblings of an old man,with a young heart.
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Post by NY Chief » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:22 pm

Damn, Dave. You've seen some great shows!! These guitars look familiar? :lol:
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Post by yngwie308 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:47 pm

Wow,NY Chief cool guitars.I was sooo close to buying the custom shop oxblood last year,I desire that over a R9.
The sustain with the burstbuckers and the wraparound bridge is killer.
Love the RG strat,I had planned on getting the Fender Custom Shop,relic
Yngwie Duck,but it probably won't be built until 2007,hopefully announced officialy at summer Namm I'm hoping.
You have some great amps too looking at your other posts.
I just found my long ago sold LP Junior 1954 on ebay,item#7419687256.I emailed the seller and it is my old guitar alright,down to the last scratch.
One of my most favorite tones was the '54 Junior straight into my 1958 Vox AC-15 TV front two/tone amp.It was early Beatles,Stones,bluesville.
Check out the guitar.I had to sell it back in 1997 when I lived in Tucson.
Had to repair my Honda transmission,and had to sell it over my '52 Goldtop/'56 conversion.The '52 mostly original is a fantastic guitar too.
When I figure out how to upload my photos I can show everyone.I sent George this week a cd containing my photos,and I hope he will post some for me on the Marshall site.
Yeah the whole HW experience pretty much cleaned me out.
It goes against my inner feelings to be so pissed at Marshall,but I feel they are trading off past glories and besides the HW 4X12's the 1959HW
is a severe dissapointment to me.
If I had known that I would have needed it ,I would have budgeted for a THD Hotplate,Tonebone Hot-British,ect.
Plus the Fulltone Echoplex which I also have my eye on.
I get to stare at my HW stack and dream of what it could sound like.
The Rory Gallagher Strat is totally cool and must sound amazing.I have all of Rory's original English Polydor LP's and he was a great influence on me,as a total musician.
On the Gary Moore Lord of The Strings fansite where I also post as Emerald,I suggested that Gary drop out his Marshall DSL's for a Metro amp backline,giving George a plug!
I like all three Marshall type tones,the KT-66 Super Amplifier sound,the '68 Plexi 12000 sound,and the JTM 45/100 tone.
Used to like the JTM 45 GZ34 rectifier sound,but my '66 had EL-34's when I got it,not KT-66's.
Growing up in England when I did stringly influenced me musically and I am severely dissapointed in todays 'music'.
Gary Moore used to use his '71 Superbass as a slave head to 3 other later 100 watt heads and if you have seen the Wild Frontier Live In Stockholm video from 1987,the tone Gary gets with the Marshall setup is amazing.He has Roland delays and is using his single EMG 81 equipped Charvel custom shop strats,which combine to produce a just on the brink of feeding back tone that I love.As much as the brown sound to me.
It has been the only saving grace in this HW nightmare to have found Metro amps and the forum.At least I know I am not alone in the search for the sound we all know can be had from a point to point Marshall.
In the brochure for the HW Jim 'the Guvnor' states,the only reason that we are bulding these amps is because everyone is asking for them to be built,that is the only reason.LOL
They seem to latch on to these freaky original amps to recreate,like that English guy with the supposedly original Hendrix amp.
It is clear to me since the first reissues that Marshall are not talking to the people in the business who care about the real tone.
Normally being such a Hendrix fan I would have bought the JH 100 watt stack with no questions asked,but after the HW debacle,there is no way.
There are a few of us old guys left who do know the difference and we won't go away!!
Oh to have my old Fuzzface again and my Crybaby back,I so enjoyed my first setup and have tried ever since to get it back.
I am hoping George will put my HW right when I can afford it again,so I can play my Marshall the way I would like to.
Thanks for posting those pictures,you have some great equipment.
I am glad that I had all the experiences that I have had,the concerts that I attended,to let me hear the essence of rock/blues.
Recently I have gotten heavily into Yngwie Malmsteen and he just blows my mind,being such a virtuoso.When he plays Hendrix it is dead on.
I bought a YJM Strat with the scalloped fingerboard and it really is a whole other technique,with a light touch on the strings,and playing the chords that I do is a bit tricky,but I find it a challenge.
My real style is pentatonic based though,so it is challenging to switch back and forth.
I will continue to try and post my pictures,as this is frustrating to me,the avatar deal ,ect.
George must think me a lunatic as I keep emailing his tech line about the origins of my JTM Superbass,but he has been very cool and friendly.
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Post by NY Chief » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:35 pm

I've been a big Rory fan for years. Saw him twice live in NY and several times on "In Concert" and Don Kirshners "Rock Concert". Once his amp literally caught fire behind him!

I did a "Jeff Beck Les Paul" google search for shits and giggles one day and nearly shit when the Oxblood '54 came up. It was double bad when I found out the seller lived in the next town! I had no idea Gibson was even making them. That's been a "gotta have" ever since I got turned on to "blow by Blow". Same thing happened with the Rory, though I did know about it as I played the original at NAMM a few years back.
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Post by NY Chief » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:25 pm

Got it yesterday, Dave! Howvere I was in a rush. I went up to Hollywood to see a drummer friend who was playing with Tom Verlaine at the Roxy last night. Got home real late and now I'm back at work. I check'em out soons as I can!
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Post by OnTheFritz » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:48 pm

Wow, the resale on these HW heads are really going downhill it seems!

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Post by NY Chief » Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:43 pm

Hmmmm, lessee....he gets 2K for that then buys one of Georges and doesn't have to spend another grand to get the HW to sound like George's!
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Post by saborthw » Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:15 pm

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Post by daneswede » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:47 pm

NY Chief wrote:Hmmmm, lessee....he gets 2K for that then buys one of Georges and doesn't have to spend another grand to get the HW to sound like George's!
This is depressing to see the 1959HW at $1500 ish and it doesnt look like shes gonna go up much from there. I have to admit , I gave mine whirl on Ebay about a week ago at $2,200 and $2,300 buy it now. I wasnt even getting bites. THere are a couple more on there. One for $2350 and $2450 buy it now that is most likely not going to be selling any time soon. I wonder how long they can keep taking a hit from Ebay for all of the listing and posting fees on that particualr head. I think it is a store thats selling that one or a studio or sometheng i read. He has had that amp listed for like 2 months now!!!

THere is another 1959HW listed from England in a back alley that is up to $1425 and crawling at a snai. pace with 5 hours left. This english guy has sold a lot of nice Marshall pieces over the past from what I can recall. He started the bidding at $1~!~

In the end its turning out that these amps while not junk per say are just not living up to the amps we were hoping they would be iun certain application and the resale market is dishing qa blow to them. It is sad.

I am still sending mine to George for the Brown sound mods and upgrades he did in this thread for I really like the end result. Besides and at this point im into the amp for $2800, whats another $400-500 to get it where it needs to be.

I was tweaking the amp in its stock form the other night with only that nasty bright cap snipped on one side. The way I run this amp is not the way many others run it apparently. I simply bridge the channels and put my Tonebone Hot British 12ax7 pedal into the line and it gives me a nice violinlike overdrive. After trying SEVERAL 12ax7 pedals I found the Hot British to really be a shining unit. {Erhaps not the most ewll built but to me I actually am digging on the diode chip thats in this pedal. It does lend to adding its own flavor to your Marshall tone of course and running my 1959HW at High Treble 1 and Channel 2 at 10 oclock I realize there is a whole nother story im missing out on with this amp as in the sound clips George posted with the amp cranked and the Attenuation in place.

I do plan on getting the Ultimate Attenuator very soon with all the brells and whistles on it so I will implement this other very inspiring tone AFTER Georges mods. TO be honest with everyone, running a Tonebone Hot British and cranking the amp to only 10 oclock or 11 oclock im really just using the clean side of the amp and letting the BONE do its thing. THinlk SCORPIONS "Lovedrive" or "RATT". Also for picking attack it has its moments and is smooth. There are some things to be desired of course still and this is why am at my cross roads with this amp so to speak.
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Post by VelvetGeorge » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:31 pm

Hang in here Dave! And send that HW to me when you get a chance. We can work something out. I at least need to exorcize those nasty, screachy demons.

I'm really disheartened by the fact there seems to be "good" ones and "pure crap" ones. Marshall can do it right, I know they can. They've also got Mr G right there, and he knows good tone....

I just don't understand their tonal choices.

And there is no excuse for poor quality control.

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Post by bjm007 » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:18 am

Send your HW to George........ The amp IS capable of being a very good sounding Plexi... I'm not sure what's wrong with yours but I'll bet you that George can get it working correctly for not a lot of $$$.

For starters, just get rid of the bright cap and you'll like it a whole lot better. 100pF on Volume I is just the ticket.....

Good luck...
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