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Wood Clips
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:16 pm
by rgalpin
Inspired by the recent postings about the woody marshall tone in some of the early VH live youtube clips, i am attempting to get that tone. it's a long way from where i've been so i'm guessing it will be a long process searching for the components that allow for such head room and lively power in one crunchy punch. but here's my firstr step.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus ... dID=682367
Changed from the Merc to a '74 dagnall OT.
Replaced .1uF coupling caps of v3 with 022
Replaced 560p mixer cap with 500p
No MXR EQ boost - straight in
Still using 6CA7s
Still using 56K/250p tone stack
Nothing revolutionary here just taking it closer to a stock '69 but with low filtering.
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:57 pm
by Tone Slinger
I like it ! It seems a little tighter sounding than before, like how Fair Warning is slightly tighter than W. and C, First. Now you could get another variation to this by putting the .1 PI caps back in, and swapping out your tone stack with the 33/500. I like it, though, very open still, but with a little more "togetherness". Give us some more !
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:26 pm
by awangotango
Awesome tone ! with an original dagnal, i settled on psuedo '67 spec. shared/820.68, .1pi but with .0022 v1b to keep some fluid sustain. also keeping 47k 8ohm tap. This lowers the gain a bit in a good way, and keeps all the feel and should give more wood. i find split cathode is a bit more squakey. not sure what you're runnin now. split sounds like?
Re: Wood Clips
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:06 am
by rockstah
rgalpin wrote:Inspired by the recent postings about the woody marshall tone in some of the early VH live youtube clips, i am attempting to get that tone. it's a long way from where i've been so i'm guessing it will be a long process searching for the components that allow for such head room and lively power in one crunchy punch. but here's my firstr step.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus ... dID=682367
Changed from the Merc to a '74 dagnall OT.
Replaced .1uF coupling caps of v3 with 022
Replaced 560p mixer cap with 500p
No MXR EQ boost - straight in
Still using 6CA7s
Still using 56K/250p tone stack
Nothing revolutionary here just taking it closer to a stock '69 but with low filtering.
killer!
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:58 pm
by bmf5150
your best sounding clips yet!!
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:58 pm
by rockstah
rgalpin
what was your tone stack in these clips?
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:40 pm
by rgalpin
cool - i'm pretty excited about the sound. that is with the 56k/250p tone stack. but i'm going to try the 33k/500. i'm trying to make all my component decisions based on what will limit low lows and the high highs - and i think 56/250 is the wrong choice for that. seems like 33/500 would be more wood. ya think?
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:05 pm
by rockstah
rgalpin wrote:cool - i'm pretty excited about the sound. that is with the 56k/250p tone stack. but i'm going to try the 33k/500. i'm trying to make all my component decisions based on what will limit low lows and the high highs - and i think 56/250 is the wrong choice for that. seems like 33/500 would be more wood. ya think?
i haven tried the 56/250 tone stack in a while but to my ears at the time it was too dark for vh.
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:58 pm
by bmf5150
mark i tried it with my amp variaced and it didnt sound good,but with straight wall voltage and the boss ge10 i was nailing the album tone,i have to say im impressed...im really starting to think its what evhs amp has tonestack wise!!250/56k
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:16 pm
by rockstah
bmf5150 wrote:mark i tried it with my amp variaced and it didnt sound good,but with straight wall voltage and the boss ge10 i was nailing the album tone,i have to say im impressed...im really starting to think its what evhs amp has tonestack wise!!250/56k
well we'll have to give that another try.
u using that with .022 in the output caps?
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:43 pm
by rgalpin
just posted an A/B of the 2 stacks - check it out.
clip titles:
33/500
56/250
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus ... dID=682367
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:04 pm
by bmf5150
yes,im using the .022..the first time itried it 2 days ago variaced i didnt realize but my bass was on ten,it was too much,so i lowered it and ditched the variac and its alot better.i think i now like it better than the later tone stack,,crazy huh!!!
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:06 pm
by bmf5150
i like the 56/250 better clip wise.
i may give a 300pf a try in place of the 250..your amp seems brighter than mine.
stan
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:24 pm
by rgalpin
i thought i would like 33/500 better but i didn't.
the difference between the two was pretty obvious in the room. the 56/250 had more of a punch and sounded more "together." the 33/500 sounds like it's a little more compressed in the mids and that compression sort of has a smeared quality to it.
all these "wood clips" are a lot less distorted than the VH clips i posted previously. it's a much more difficult amp to play through. stuff doesn't just fly out of the amp. i have to keep pushing it. challenging. the clarity of tone is worth it - but i'm thinking that the true WOOD tone has even less distortion than this - so the amp is going to demand even more out of the player - if i keep going this direction, i'll have to get a better player!!
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:29 pm
by bmf5150
what negative feedback resistor do you use?im at 47k.