Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by heatpad » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:17 pm

Xplorer wrote:No fuzz on monterey's wilde thing, about the way the amp produces cracks. just the amp ... the amp doing cracks into the distortion. this is not a fuzz. the amp is fuzzy by itself. special amp ...
amazing :palm: :palm: :palm:

The Monterey tone is a Marshall JTM 45/100, jumped over to a couple of Fenders. The Fuzz Face is back by the amps and is ON the entire set. Everything is run off the guitar's volume control. That's why you hear at times the amplified crackling of a bad cord, wound up amp, etc.

Hendrix didn't play all his shows like this, most often turning his fuzz on/ off when needed, but Monterey was a wound up rig with a Fuzz Face on the whole time.

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Xplorer » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:30 pm

Amazing, :palm: one more who can't read what's written, ( that's not what i said ) and who loves to show how much he knows, ( not much regarding this monterey amp tone ) while we're here to discuss, not to try to insult peoples.
damned....

i'm trying to show you guys a cool stuff, and you're just here to fight. :what: :scratch:

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by swankmotee » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:37 pm

Xplorer wrote:very "bad" electronically means perfect in this case ; )
someone went wrong on wiring the power transformer, to the 560v tap. and it went gooooood.
with pre rola g12h30 75hz and NOS components, NOS KT66 tubes.
You just don't get it huh?!LOL! Any amp whose output cuts out is not fine! Whatever man! :roll:
And whats even more humorous is that those clips are with the fuzzface on! :lol:

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Ydna » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:12 am

Well this showed to be a can of worms. Just let it go. Agree to disagree. Is it really worth arguing over? Fuzz face or not, great tone. This thread was never about fuzzfaces or crackling or feedback. It is about the Tremelo type sound you can hear at times during the show. Which, was probably caused by ghosting and the guitar going out of tune. Relax.
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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Xplorer » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:55 am

"Any amp whose output cuts out is not fine!"

so, seriously, you don't understand when i mean that the result "perfect" means that the "bad electronic" just pleases our ears in the end, more than with a good electronic ? Seriously ? :palm:
......... I'm amazed ! :roll:

yes, it's about out of tune, frequencys fighting each others, totaly agree, but i think that we all guess that, no big mystery. Now, in such monterey thread, hearing this amp today is quite more interesting, to me. that's what i brought here, that's all, and some can't get that.
Until now, peoples kept thinking that these cracklings were due to some bad cable ....
And this amp, IMHO, helps these tremoloish sounds, the way it allows feedbacks, huge level, saturation ...

Maybe some do think that any standard jtm45/100 with a fuzz in front will sound like this particular Monterey hendrix jtm45/100 with a fuzz in front. the question is open. my thought is : NO, and i'm bringing some answers here, and clips. why bringing fights here ? someone explain them, please.

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by heatpad » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:12 am

As a collector, with every available show, including those '67 shows which used this same amp, none of the crackling noises are heard.

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Xplorer » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:26 am

as you like. i'm not interested into your opinion, but the one of some others, who can understand what they read and hear.

http://marshallvintagemodern.com/viewto ... f=5&t=5992" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by heatpad » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:27 am

Xplorer wrote:as you like. i'm not interested into your opinion, but the one of some others, who can understand what they read and hear.

http://marshallvintagemodern.com/viewto ... f=5&t=5992" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I understand all too well. Turn ANY amp to saturation and stick a Strat up to the speaker and it gets that sound. Magic amp my ass.

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Xplorer » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:35 am

if you say so. i respect your personnal thought on this.

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Doug H » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:55 pm

firstly, the fuzz face was on, the ony way to be any more sure it to have been there and looked up on stage.
Second, there was something wrong with the guitar jack or chord. Watch the whole video, you can here it crackling at the beginning, and it's set off with trem/guitar motion.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVT8O7mXiIU[/youtube]

Probably a bad ground connection or broken chord. I hear it was a cold day, naybe the giutar got banged around in dress rehearsal? Anyhow it's not some magic mojo fuzz face or amp thing, just a bad connection, or at least, so say I :)

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Post by swankmotee » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:01 pm

Xplorer wrote:as you like. i'm not interested into your opinion, but the one of some others, who can understand what they read and hear.

http://marshallvintagemodern.com/viewto ... f=5&t=5992" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
LOL! The only opinion you are interested in is your own,pompus one who doesn't have a clue about electronics and the fact that the amp in question is probably on it's last leg!

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Post by swankmotee » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:08 pm

Doug H wrote:firstly, the fuzz face was on, the ony way to be any more sure it to have been there and looked up on stage.
Second, there was something wrong with the guitar jack or chord. Watch the whole video, you can here it crackling at the beginning, and it's set off with trem/guitar motion.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVT8O7mXiIU[/youtube]

Probably a bad ground connection or broken chord. I hear it was a cold day, naybe the giutar got banged around in dress rehearsal? Anyhow it's not some magic mojo fuzz face or amp thing, just a bad connection, or at least, so say I :)
Thanx Doug for posting this because it's pretty obvious to me that the amp was near puking status at that point in the gig because it wasn't doing that crackling earlier on. Our French friend obviously doesn't get the fact that the super fuzzy tone of that amp in the WH video and the links he provided is only due to the fuzzface being on and Jimi deftly using his volume control. The amp in the audio links sounds like it's dropping out due to a intermittent tube problem,bad cord, or something else due to age and abuse. It's certainly NOT healthy when it does that whether it's "Jimi" kool or not!

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Xplorer » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:45 pm

i know that this amp was fully restored, and that today it sounds like this, because of it's internal architecture, ( and that's just my opinion ) not standard.

i didn't say that there wasn't a fuzz, i said ten times ( WWWOW !!!! please, can you understand quicker ? ) without any understanding from you ( don't make me say what i didn't say ) that the reason of the crackling in the amp isn't a bad cord, or tube, or wathever, as it sounds this way, with nice tubes ( i don't think that 40 years later, the guy used the same old tubes from monterey, and they didn't exist anymore anyway . ), restored, with new cables ( do you really think that the actual owner still has the original jimi hendrix cable from monterey ? ) etc ...

that's facts. and i didn't say that there wasn't a fuzz , i said : no fuzz as the real reason of this crackling. in other words : no fuzz , into the deep reason of this crackling amp. It doesn't mean : NO fuzz absolutely.
peoples kept thinking that it was a special fuzz, or a bad cable, or any BS you know.

just facts , thoughts of some others than you, ( including the owner of this amp, who knows veeery well jimi hendrix since 40 years ) and logic : this amp sounds this way today ... restored ... no broken stuffs ... normal cable ... and oh ! an interesting fact about the way it's built inside ... some facts, some clips, hmm, interesting ... that's all i'm doing here. that's just my intention.
Well, i thought, and still think that it's all interesting hendrix stuffs.

from there, something obviously bothers you, but that's not a reason to be nervous, right ? in fact, that's not my problem if something bothers you, keep that for yourself, will you ? if you're not agree with me ( with what i said, and not with what i didn't say. of course, you can disagree with what i didn't say ha ha ! ) , fine, no problem, just keep your distances if you start to feel nervous when i don't think the way you do, and if you don't know how to express your opinion in a respectful way without stupid aggressions and provocations.
it isn't gonna make your truth stronger you know ?

i honnestly don't think that a standard jtm45/100 will sound this close, just with the same fuzz in front of it. there's something more.
that's my thought, and i think i have the right to think the way i want, among some other ways to think, with respect from each others.

you're doing pure speculations,( bad cord, broken amp ..... ) IMHO, but that's your right. i'm bringing facts here, not to piss you off, and not especially for you. you're not the center of everything.

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Doug H » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:42 pm

I just jumped in at the end of this, I didn't really read the whole thread but what's special about his rig other than sounding great and having a broken guitar jack or cord. There's no amp on the edge weird tremolo effect going on, it's a combo of his vibrato shaking the guitar and causing an intermitent connection somewhere. I really don't think there's much to leave to opinion or debate on this matter. The effect is probably accentuated by a cold biased fuzz box. It's a quirk of fate that that happened to him right then and it came off as kind of musical, but I'm sure all that was gong through his head was "fuck" lol.

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Re: Temolo-ish Sound in "Wild Thing" Monterey Pop

Post by Doug H » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:47 pm

ok, I guess maybe I shouldn't be quite so sure what it is, I suppose it could be his fuzzface flaking out or something, still sounds like a bad connection in the guitar to me.

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