Which to Build for JMH - The Dilemma

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Re: Which to Build for JMH - The Dilemma

Post by Xplorer » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:41 am

Tone Slinger wrote:I agree. Most any 4 input super lead is gonna be ballpark with a good strat. BOG can be had very closely with a standard 1959,but a shared cathode SB or jtm 45/100 have more of that darker,bottom heavy 'wobble' of the Baggy's/BOG's performances, no channel jumping required.

From the spring '69 to his death though,I hear stock super leads of that era ('69/'70),with the 6550 tube upgrade(excepting BOG's & 'maybe' Woodstock)). I was more a fan of his tone with his fuzz face OFF at this point(blue sillicon FFaces :o ). '69 was a peak tone year for me regarding Hendrix. I think he used that Red Fuzz Face with the strat knobs almost exclusivly in '69. I'm of the opinion that this particular unit housed a Roger Mayer circuit (Axis Fuzz ?).
really agree. bog ain't a super basse, even if this clip is fantastic, and sounds so Hendrix. but not bog. totaly not the same frequencys and dynamics. not the same sturation kind too.

this is a 45/100, stock, non jumped channels.

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Re: Which to Build for JMH - The Dilemma

Post by Tone seaker » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:02 pm

Its hard to believe Hendrix used anything but a lead amp. I have never seen any documented evidence of him using any thing but Lead amps after 68

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Re: Which to Build for JMH - The Dilemma

Post by Xplorer » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:07 pm

the sound of a 45/100 is clearly what i hear, i personaly don't think it's hard to believe at all and it clearly doesn't sound like a superlead, or super basse, this concert also doesn't sound like any "super lead/basse" concert he did . Jimi off course didn't put his 45/100 to trash after 1968 .. :shrug: he used it a lot too.
i just follow my ears, no matter what documentation there's arround, or not.

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Re: Which to Build for JMH - The Dilemma

Post by Lefty Lou » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:23 am

Tone seaker wrote:Its hard to believe Hendrix used anything but a lead amp. I have never seen any documented evidence of him using any thing but Lead amps after 68
Who says it (can't/couldn't) be a transition Marshall after the JTM45/100 model to an early JTM/JMP 100 with a shared cathode OR a split cathode JTM45/100 ? The possibilities are limitless. After all we know that Marshall like many other equipment manufacturers of the day were not exactly "consistent" with parts, design, layouts, etc., and THAT fact is well documented.
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Re: Which to Build for JMH - The Dilemma

Post by Lefty Lou » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:29 am

Xplorer wrote:
Tone Slinger wrote:I agree. Most any 4 input super lead is gonna be ballpark with a good strat. BOG can be had very closely with a standard 1959,but a shared cathode SB or jtm 45/100 have more of that darker,bottom heavy 'wobble' of the Baggy's/BOG's performances, no channel jumping required.

From the spring '69 to his death though,I hear stock super leads of that era ('69/'70),with the 6550 tube upgrade(excepting BOG's & 'maybe' Woodstock)). I was more a fan of his tone with his fuzz face OFF at this point(blue sillicon FFaces :o ). '69 was a peak tone year for me regarding Hendrix. I think he used that Red Fuzz Face with the strat knobs almost exclusivly in '69. I'm of the opinion that this particular unit housed a Roger Mayer circuit (Axis Fuzz ?).
really agree. bog ain't a super basse, even if this clip is fantastic, and sounds so Hendrix. but not bog. totaly not the same frequencys and dynamics. not the same sturation kind too.

this is a 45/100, stock, non jumped channels.

https://soundcloud.com/stream" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's easy enough to figure out, just blowup a picture of the Marshall head(s) he used with BOG, and look for a MkII on the front left panel. LOL
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Re: Which to Build for JMH - The Dilemma

Post by Xplorer » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:47 am

Lefty Lou wrote:
Xplorer wrote:
Tone Slinger wrote:I agree. Most any 4 input super lead is gonna be ballpark with a good strat. BOG can be had very closely with a standard 1959,but a shared cathode SB or jtm 45/100 have more of that darker,bottom heavy 'wobble' of the Baggy's/BOG's performances, no channel jumping required.

From the spring '69 to his death though,I hear stock super leads of that era ('69/'70),with the 6550 tube upgrade(excepting BOG's & 'maybe' Woodstock)). I was more a fan of his tone with his fuzz face OFF at this point(blue sillicon FFaces :o ). '69 was a peak tone year for me regarding Hendrix. I think he used that Red Fuzz Face with the strat knobs almost exclusivly in '69. I'm of the opinion that this particular unit housed a Roger Mayer circuit (Axis Fuzz ?).
really agree. bog ain't a super basse, even if this clip is fantastic, and sounds so Hendrix. but not bog. totaly not the same frequencys and dynamics. not the same sturation kind too.

this is a 45/100, stock, non jumped channels.

https://soundcloud.com/stream" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's easy enough to figure out, just blowup a picture of the Marshall head(s) he used with BOG, and look for a MkII on the front left panel. LOL
Yeah, this doesn't proove anything. Some jimi's recorded amp can sometime be hidden from the stage. It Clearly doesn't sound like a mkII anyway, at least to me, no matter what document you'll show to me, but i respect that it isn't your opinion. Anyway, merry christmas to you all ! :)

And funny stuff, this is exactly what Angus does, with superleads on stage, but his favourite 45/100 recorded .
But i never saw a mkII logo on the pictures of bog, and anyway, one night it typicaly sounded SL MKII, ( maybe when the pic was taken ? ) and the famous night it clearly sounds different, on the same stage........ Not the same amp.

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Re: Which to Build for JMH - The Dilemma

Post by Lefty Lou » Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:41 am

Xplorer wrote:Yeah, this doesn't proove anything.
LL - Zachary!!!
Xplorer wrote:Some jimi's recorded amp can sometime be hidden from the stage.
LL - Clearly.
Xplorer wrote:It Clearly doesn't sound like a mkII anyway, at least to me, no matter what document you'll show to me.
LL - Maybe I'll show you my documents and maybe I won't LOL!!!
Xplorer wrote:But I respect that it isn't your opinion.
LL - Thanks, you too.
Xplorer wrote:Anyway, merry christmas to you all!
LL - Samey samey here, and a Happy New Year A?
Xplorer wrote: And funny stuff, this is exactly what Angus does, with superleads on stage, but his favourite 45/100 recorded.
LL - JTM45
Xplorer wrote:But i never saw a mkII logo on the pictures of bog.
LL - Thought that's what you've been referring to all along with the Hendrix JTM45/100?
Xplorer wrote:And anyway, one night it typicaly sounded SL MKII, ( maybe when the pic was taken ? ) and the famous night it clearly sounds different, on the same stage........ Not the same amp.
LL - Don't know, whatever you say.
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Post by Xplorer » Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:53 am

Oups, sorry. Thought you were referring to a later superlead, with "MKII". That's why.
Who's zachary ?
Yeah, let's just follow our ears and have fun anyway ;)
Soon going to open my presents ... With the family, yeah ! :)

About angus, i think i remember it's a 45/100, with a super high voltage on it, really deadly.
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Post by Lefty Lou » Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:55 am

Xplorer wrote:Oups, sorry. Thought you were referring to a later superlead, with "MKII". That's why.
Who's zachary ?
Yeah, let's just follow our ears and have fun anyway ;)
Soon going to open my presents ... With the family, yeah ! :)
Zachary is "Exactly" Yeah!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Xplorer » Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:58 am

Thanks, please forgive my lack of english ;)

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Post by Xplorer » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:25 am

by the way Lou, if you have a chance to come accross them again, i'd be very interested to see the documents you're talking about :thumbsup:
if these are from the special night, with a great photo never seen before ... that would make me dream :)
i have shots of behind these three amps, from a color video, but you can't see very well, very low resolution, peoples doing the new year's eve party, light flashs ... but it's interesting : it's on the stage, behind the drums and amps.

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Post by Lefty Lou » Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:36 pm

Xplorer wrote:Thanks, please forgive my lack of english ;)
I got it from a joke: Guy goes into see a doctor who happens to be oriental, doctor gives guy a proctology exam after which the doctor states, "It's just as I thought, you have Zachary disease". Guy goes, "Zachary disease?" Doctor replies, "yes, your face rooks Zachary rike your ass". LOL

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Post by Lefty Lou » Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:38 pm

Xplorer wrote:by the way Lou, if you have a chance to come accross them again, i'd be very interested to see the documents you're talking about :thumbsup:
if these are from the special night, with a great photo never seen before ... that would make me dream :)
i have shots of behind these three amps, from a color video, but you can't see very well, very low resolution, peoples doing the new year's eve party, light flashs ... but it's interesting : it's on the stage, behind the drums and amps.
Are you familiar with the background behind the video footage used in the making "Woodstock"? When the film crew ran out of film, they came to me for the other portion of the concert footage that they didn't have to complete the movie.

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Post by Xplorer » Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:44 pm

Really ? some of the Woodstock movie is from you filming it ? you've been there ? so cool !

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Post by Lefty Lou » Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:39 am

No, But I really had you going didn't I? It's like this

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