How to get the tone of the lead/solo on One Rainy Wish

[Eugene Martone]

This is my first post here, so please bare over with me . Now, I really love the tone of the solo/lead on orw (the thick thing that starts after the first two verses), but can not figure out how to get that tone . I've spent hours searching the net, but it's all Purple Haze, Little Wing or BoG type sounds (love those tones too, but they are pretty well documented). What am I missing?

[Roe]

It definitely sounds like a fuzz and a plexi.
black flag for dirty sound (and sound city for clean sounds). fuzzes were prob. mayer axis fuzz and fuzz face

however, there is also some extra effect at the end, prob some modulation added in the mix

[Eugene Martone]

thx I have tried messin' with a fuzz face & a bassman, but that didn't even get me close. What settings do you suggest? Will the bassman do it or do I have to wait to get my jtm45 from George? Or do i really need a 50w? Also, a friend of mine suggested that there might be a binson echorec on that track, any idea if this could be the case (I've never tried one)?

[Roe]

could be some echo yes. I suggest an el34 amps for this, preferably a 100w. fuzz setting is crucial. you probably have to run the amp hard and put some fuzz in from. also, experiment with pickups and tone control on guitar

[Eugene Martone]

So, maxed out super lead, axisfuzz and a touch of echo should get me in the ballpark? Do you think i could get away with putting some el34s in a jtm45 (don't have a major budget, or rather I do have a girlfriend)?

[Roe]

personally, I don't feel that using el34s in a jtm45 helps much

[zackd]

Octaiva(o) and fuzz face ! The bridge part after the first two verses just before he sings I have never . Is a fuzz face and a octavia. He is singing between his licks and go's into his solo and back into a verse. That is definitly a germanium fuzz face and a octavia . For years I never thought about it and always just thought it was such a great tone . Then it clicked that was what he was using on that. He was very tasteful and a master at using effects in songs.

The intro of the song is clean guitar and a another lead part playing with what sounds like just a guitar-octavia-Marshall. In the verse's the octavia guitar plays fills . I think also the end is just guitar-octavia-amp. Where as the bridge fills/solo is fuzzface with octaiva or vise versa octavia fuzz face.

I would say kt66s in the Marshall in a 45/100 type Marshall. Or who knows could be el-34 Marshall playing clean. For the earlier Hendrix I like the kt66s alot more .

[Roe]

axis is supposed to be marshall for dirty sounds and sound city for clean sounds. this has been reported for a long time - even before the internet took of. to me, the marshall sounds definitely sounds like a 67 el34 amp. the first proof of the experience with a black flag is from monterey, june 18th 1967.
According to Kramer's Ultimate hendrix book, one rainy wish was recorded october 1-2 1967. at this time, hendrix' use of the black flag is well documented. kramer says a octavia was used on lead part (p. 65)

So there you have it. speakers could have been g12m 20w or g12h 25w.

[Roe]

did that help?

[Eugene Martone]

I guess so , haven't really tried yet, but sounds like good advice. The octavia/ octavia settings sounds like it might be where I'm missing something...
thx alot

[Roe]

you need to drive amp hard with octavia

[Xplorer]

yes, defnitely an octavia. then, as kramer seems to have worked a lot on this guitar, the mix, balance left , right, transitions ... he might have recorded this octavia guitar in a particular way. cutting some frequencys , doing something ... to get a smooth sound from an amp drived hard with an octavia.... listen to the reverb on it or echorec as you said. i mean : this guitar might not sound like what you hear in this song, with the direct sound of the amp, live.
personnaly, i prefer the clean guitar tone in the beginning. you directly know that it is Jimi. i think that for this clean guitar, it's the same amp and guitar that he used on little wing. wich one is it ? is it this particular blackflag ? nickel strings have a touch on it i think.

[Eugene Martone]

I think you're selling jimi short if you think he just let kramer do stuff to his guitarsound. I believe he was in the studio asking for the sounds he wanted, and Kramer was turning the knobs. I do believe that sound is reproducable live, the echorec and octavia are both guitar effects. We'll see when (if) I can afford one (echorec) .

[Xplorer]

why do you make me say what i didn't say ?

sure jimi and eddy were going into the studio, then in the mix room, and back to the studio room and again and again, to improve the sound, to jimi desires... it wasn't just jimi in the recording room, and kramer into the mixing room : they walked from place to place to compare and discuss...
what i said, is that you hear a lot of studio work on this song, balances, mics etc ...
i don't think that it would sound the same, live : not the same room space, direct sound from the amp ( with echorec, octavia and all, just the same ), to the public. what the mic recorded was reworked by kramer and jimi i think.
it's not the same to hear a guitar-effect-amp settings into a studio room, "reworked", compared to the same guitar-effect-amp setting in a fillmore east or a woodstock concert place.
to me it sounds a bit "reworked" (i'm not english ). it cuts some of the hard accents , it's smoother than an octavia played live.

or ... live jimi's and studio jimi's sound the same ... is that what you say ? i really don't think so.

[Eugene Martone]

Sorry Explorer, I didn't mean to pick a fight . I have read several of your posts and find them very informative. Just don't think that sound is less jimi or less likable because it has some studio magic on it. It does however make it a little harder to get the sound right, so any advice on what studio equipment was (or might have been) used would be greatly appreciated.