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Amp Check and Bias

Post by metalhead3ecr » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:13 pm

I'm going through "testing part 1: powering up" on my 50 watt and I have 3.5V AC on all the tube sockets. The instructions says I should be around 3.15V AC . Should I be worried about this?

And step "D" says I should get between -20 and -50V DC on pin 5 of the two power tubes but I get nothing. I have a PPIMV installed. Will this change the process?

Here are some pictures. My amp is quite sloppy. I hope someone can figure out what is possibly going wrong. :?
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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by metalhead3ecr » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:18 pm

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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by neikeel » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:42 pm

Wow!

What is going on in there? What is the floating plexiboard that looks like it has the PI on it?

That is going to be wickedly hard to debug :shock:
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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by metalhead3ecr » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:05 pm

hahah exactly. I have a 4th preamp tube, a PPIMV and a "two part" circuit board. The floating piece is stock, I just ran out of space on the board.

My power amp voltage is 490. it is a classic tone 50watt. My heaters are all 3.5 and I get nothing when I go to check pin 5 of the powertubes.

So in short, can you guys help me troubleshoot why I am not getting any reading after the 5.6K heat shrinked resistor on pin 5?

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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by metalhead3ecr » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:47 pm

So I have been doing contiguity tests and they all check out. However, when I am checking pin 5 on the power tubes I have a zero reading. So I started going backwards and the last place where my voltage is found is right before the two .022uf
...and then right after them before the 220K is a flat zero. so what's the deal?

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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by bobtec » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:11 pm

I would take alot of real good pictures and then Beg Neil for help :jimi: ....I would of made a stock amp first and got that up and running ..Then did the mods..Didn't you have any wire clippers... :peace:

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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by demonufo » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:08 am

:whistle:
Wowee.

Sorry to be harsh, but I'd rip it up and start again.

That just looks badly thought out, and quite frankly, potentially dangerous from what I can see.


With a little thought, everything could have easily fitted neatly on a custom turretboard. Especially if you'd have put that preamp filter in the chassis underneath the board, where the gap for it sits empty...
I honestly think you should plan better, and start again. :(
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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by metalhead3ecr » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:04 am

Already one step ahead of you...thanks though. I'm going to re do the board and take my time haha that should help

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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by neikeel » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:31 am

metalhead3ecr wrote:Already one step ahead of you...thanks though. I'm going to re do the board and take my time haha that should help
You will probably find the issue yourself when you do and if there are problems after if you follow conventional Marshall wire colours and routes we can help you identify things more easily.

Good luck.

I look forward to seeing pics of Mk 11 :thumbsup:
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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by metalhead3ecr » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:32 am

I bought one of these generic boards and I will carefully undo the current config I have and transfer everything nice and neat over to the new board.

Thanks for the help fellas!
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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by demonufo » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:48 am

You might find yourself running out of room on that one too, with the lack of centre turrets.

You'd probably have been better off buying a large blank board, a turret staking tool, and making your own, to your required layout.
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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by julkke » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:02 pm

Whoa. I'd ditch the 4th preamp tube and redo the whole board. Make it a stock 2203, get it up and running with good lead dress and then see where you wanna go with mods.

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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by gldtp99 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:05 pm

Good move to start over on this one----i saw the pics and just clicked off the other day because it looked like a mess that there was no fix for.
I agree with going with three preamp tubes and building a stock JCM 800 at first---- get this right and mod from there----- #34 mods can get a decent amount of boost over stock------- a plate driven tonestack can also get much more dist------ all with three tubes.

Here's a plate driven tonestack that gets a lot of gain from a three preamp tube design:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6184 ... ematic.jpg

I built a 50 watter that's similar to the link and many local bands have used it for recording----i tried several different versions of values and settled on something i liked--turns out that many others like it, too----mine has the usual pre-PI MV and a Lar/Mar PPIMV.
FWIW--- i have a Marshall 4010 JCM 800 50 watt 1x12 combo (like a 2204) and i modded it up with #34 mods and a Lar/Mar-----it does what it does very well---- but sometimes i'd like to turn off the boost and have a stock/near stock JCM 800 tone that i can boost with a pedal to get #34 mod (or higher) gain levels---and something like a usable clean tone---- I'll be re-doing this one with a turret board near stock JCM 800 circuit when i get time---- I'll ditch the Lar/Mar and put a Resonance pot in it's place --- i think a Resonance control will be a good addition with a 1x12 open backed cab...........................gldtp99

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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by metalhead3ecr » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:15 pm

Thanks for all the input you guys! I will rebuild, make it stock, get it running, then mod to taste :wink:

I'll keep you updated!

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Re: Amp Check and Bias

Post by axeman » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:46 pm

Hey can you build me one Please. :shock:
Well, If you add a bright cap on the pot and longer screen wires on the preamp section I think it would be good to go. :lol: :lol:

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