Ed's Franky (beneath the paint)

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Re: Ed's Franky (beneath the paint)

Post by ffoner » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:26 pm

Seabean wrote:At the Van Halen Museum there is an ad for 8/1/77 for VH at Magic Mountain
Is there someplace online where we can see this flyer?

I trust Kat's photo dates

No offense to Kat, but I'm not there yet. What puts doubt in my mind about the MM photo is the fact that Dave and Ed are wearing the exact same clothes as in the Whisky photos and standing in front of a curtain very similar to what the Whisky had at the time (see Ramones Oct 77 photo). IMHO that supposed MM photo is from the Whisky fall 77 gig.

I also have my doubts about the "backstage spatnetz" photo being from summer '77. The only other place you see that shirt is on the album shots (LP jr and inner sleeve "sweat" photo), and it's generally considered that those pics were taken (Elliot Gilbert?) around the time of the New years eve gig at the Whisky. No offense, guys.
I didn't take a photo of the ad - actually it was an ad - not a flyer on the wall. I took careful notes from the flyers on the wall and copied them into my notebook for shows I didn't know about. (some of the stuff on the wall is flyers that had been in circulation).

Here's the info, from my Excel sheet of club days dates:

8/1/77 Valencia, CA Magic Mountain - Swan Featuring Bob James, Hollywood Stars, Emerald City, and Van Halen - From Doug Anderson's Collection - Billed as "New Wave Rock Concert"

I can 100% guarantee the ad was legit. I've looked at more vintage newspaper ads than I care to admit from doing research for Van Halen Rising. I saw it with my own eyes, and if you know the bands that played w/VH in 1977 at the Starwood, you'll recognize the other bands on bill. (Swan is featured in the 77 fanzine with VH that has the 10/15 flyer pixs). What this fixes in my mind is VH was gigging at Magic Mountain in August 1977, and as I already mentioned, Tom their soundman said they played there a few times that summer around the same time.

I believe the Kat dates are accurate. She says she wrote the date of the photos on the back of them. Could she have mis-dated them? Could she have made up the dates? Maybe, but I don't think so. She's saved all of these pictures all of these years, and clearly, if you've interacted with her on FB, she's no rock party casualty burnout. She's 100% with it and lucid.
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Re: Ed's Franky (beneath the paint)

Post by Strat78 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:44 pm

The 8-1-77 boot corroborates the flyer given the unpolished song arrangements. When and where did VH open for UFO?

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Re: Ed's Franky (beneath the paint)

Post by ffoner » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:51 pm

Strat78 wrote:The 8-1-77 boot corroborates the flyer given the unpolished song arrangements. When and where did VH open for UFO?
May 9, 1976. Norwalk, CA - Golden West Ballroom, a venue which is now a church, of all things.

And here's more news. The audio recording of that show that has long circulates, is not from that show. I know this for a number of reasons, but most importantly, DLR and Mike Anthony have both said that the gig with UFO was VH's first true "all originals" gig. Mike Anthony told this to me himself over the phone when I interviewed him. He called it "an all originals gig."

VH did one cover at that show, an encore. Rest were all VH songs.

The bootleg of 5/9, which is audio recorded at Golden West Ballroom, was not sourced from the UFO gig.

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Re: Ed's Franky (beneath the paint)

Post by Seabean » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:38 pm

Thanks ffoner/Greg.. As for whether franky was black/rosewood or b&w/maple for the recording I'll just let it go for now. :peace:

I'm genuinely looking forward to this book. VH in 1977 has been an especially interesting topic to see the final push of how they got to the big time. Also consider that 1977 was a pivotal year with the rise of punk and disco and VH had to deal with all that.

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Re: Ed's Franky (beneath the paint)

Post by EJSLPlexi » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:26 am

about that second knob on the strat? It has me wonderin if it was ever used or just left on 10?

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Re: Ed's Franky (beneath the paint)

Post by mightymike » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:30 am

I used to wonder if he still had the Rosewood neck by the time of the VH1 recording , but after experimenting with it and a gazillion pickups and amp circuits, I came to the same conclusion as this thread confirms. Imho it had the maple neck

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Re: Ed's Franky (beneath the paint)

Post by Tone Slinger » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:09 am

well it looks like 'Johnny B Guitars' on Youtube has completely tied up any loose ends that we had in this thread :thumbsup:
Rip Ben Wise (StuntDouble) & Mark Abrahamian (Rockstah)

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