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ok,so i decided to do a speaker comparison..go easy im no pete thorn or rockstah,lol..i did these clips with all speakers in the same cabinet mic the exact same spot,same volume,same everything.this is my ash frankenstein clone with a motor city 2nd degree black belt into my boss ge10 into my plexi..the plexi is going to my home made load with line level out to my matrix power am p and finally to speaker cab....which do you like and why??

M75 speaker
https://soundcloud.com/bmf5150/m75-atbl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


pre rola 003 cone greenback
https://soundcloud.com/bmf5150/pre-rola-greenback-atbl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


EVH greenback
https://soundcloud.com/bmf5150/evh-greenback-atbl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


BM75
https://soundcloud.com/bmf5150/bm75-atbl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stan, first of all your rig is scary good. Would be great to hear something other than ATBL though Man I don't know if I can say which is "best" or nails it. But for that riff, I liked the number 1 and 3 best. Your slaving rig sounds very VH !

Thank ill record something else, I hear ya on ATBL it's just a tone I shoot for!!! I think the recorded clips sounds more alike and in the room the speakers difference is much more!

Stan,I liked the EVH Greenback the best. The pulsonic sounded very close (would of probably been better than the EVH 'earlier' in its lifespan), but the EVH 25 sounded younger, fresher,more propulsive, and the pulsonic a bit 'tired'. Like a 22 year old man compared to himself at 58. The first and last clips (75's) had a tad too much bottom end and less sweetness imo.

I agree, my fav is the evh greenback, second choice is the original pre rola 003 cone....the bm75 is just too bright and too much upper mids..the m75 is not bad , but has different mid range than my original pre rola and tad bit darker sounding !

What's interesting is that the EVH greenback that everyone try's to compare it to a pulsonic 003 cone greenback but it's not based off of that greenback, it's based off the earlier previous greenback!!the pulsonic 003 coned greenback where from late 67 to like 73..the 20 watt greenback that the EVH was based off of was from 65 to early 67 and sounded different ...I think those are the ones EVH used!there very hard to find too!!been looking for years!!the good news is that the EVH copy is dead on to the original from what a guy who has both has told me!!only difference he said was the EVh was tighter sounding and he figured it had more to do with 40 years of break in ...

I agree...the EVH greenback. Cool... I am going to buy those. Finding old GB is nearly impossible and very expensive. The Pulsonic sounded a tad too loose imo.

I wana variac my EVH greenback, to really break them in! They where little harsh at first!

In order

Pre rola, EVH, BM75, then the M75.
2, 3, 4, then 1.

The pre rola has the bite and thats important(everyone looks for that in the jbl theory which I don't subscribe to), and as I listen they seem to get darker in the order I gave. With #1 bein fatter on the low end as well as darkest.
I would have to say there is not much difference between the pre rola and the EVH. #3 seemed to have a nice body to it. But I would exclude #1 for sure from the line up if it were me.
The EVH is obviously not the slug everyone woulda thought-I would say pre rola and it are neck and neck for tonally orgasmic wankage.
Great comparison, a phat ass " thumbs up" on this Stan. Great job!

I just wanted to make a final speaker decision and help others by letting them decide which they like the best!

I agree-the EVH is like a fat man in a little coat, or big ole titties in a tight bra. Gonna have to massage them a little and they should get nicer yet.
Did you have a 6402 to throw in there in this batch? Curious in how these will stack in.

The way you did these lineups is awesome.

Somebody send this guy more speakers so we can get on with our education at the Metro School of Tone!

I agree. The 6402's are gonna sit, tone-wise, right there with the 003 and EVH imo.

bmf5150: there are significant issues with this speaker comparison, IMO, which you should take note of.

1) You can't dial in an EQ for one speaker without dialing out something else in the other three. Tried that myself with Pete Thorn, it doesn't work.

2) There are way too many extraneous and unnecessary signal modifications in this rig. No one does a proper speaker comparison with all of the signal changes you have used in this comparison. There's no way to tell what EQ unit settings, what microphone/placement guidelines, home made attenuator and amp line out changes do to the original signal. You've got way too much crap in the signal chain before it gets to the microphone.

3) Not every speaker responds to the same mic placement equally well, or in other words, placing the mic in the same spot doesn't guarantee good results with every speaker, even if they're all G12M variants. You have to dial in each speaker by itself, then set the EQ for each one. There is not one EQ that works for all of these speakers.

4) Learn how to play the songs you're playing for a demonstration, or hire someone who can play them properly.

Frankly, I'd just prefer you don't use my speakers in any of your "demos" in the future. Leave it to the pros, that's what I do. You should, too.

Scumback Speakers wrote:bmf5150: there are significant issues with this speaker comparison, IMO, which you should take note of.

1) You can't dial in an EQ for one speaker without dialing out something else in the other three. Tried that myself with Pete Thorn, it doesn't work.

2) There are way too many extraneous and unnecessary signal modifications in this rig. No one does a proper speaker comparison with all of the signal changes you have used in this comparison. There's no way to tell what EQ unit settings, what microphone/placement guidelines, home made attenuator and amp line out changes do to the original signal. You've got way too much crap in the signal chain before it gets to the microphone.

3) Not every speaker responds to the same mic placement equally well, or in other words, placing the mic in the same spot doesn't guarantee good results with every speaker, even if they're all G12M variants. You have to dial in each speaker by itself, then set the EQ for each one. There is not one EQ that works for all of these speakers.

4) Learn how to play the songs you're playing for a demonstration, or hire someone who can play them properly.

Frankly, I'd just prefer you don't use my speakers in any of your "demos" in the future. Leave it to the pros, that's what I do. You should, too.

That's some sour grapes right there. You may have a point about #3 but to say that the riff isn't being played properly is ridiculous. This is an open amp forum, not yours to deligate who can and can't post demos. I don't question whether your speakers are great or not. They sound awesome in this demo.

Not sour grapes at all, efraser86. Allow me to explain.

Back in early (February/March) 2005 bmf5150 posted clips on the TGP forum claiming they were the H75 Scumback. Problem was he didn't own or buy any Scumbacks. They were introduced in December, 2004, first shipments happened in February 2005. bmf5150 wasn't a client.

As bmf5150 later admitted, it was a G12H30 Anniversary he had Weber VST recone that he called an H75 just so he could be the first to post clips. But it wasn't an H75 since there were no Scumback recone policies in place at that time. Consequently the TGP had him remove that post after it was found out that he lied. I was only made aware of this since another amp company told me about the post.

I told bmf5150 not to post clips of my speakers again due to the misleading nature of his TGP post. Not long after that bmf5150 went on a private PM/posting tirade against me on this and other forums which ultimately led to him being served a "Cease & Desist" order by my attorney. I'm surprised he's forgotten, I sure haven't. You are in violation of that C&D, bmf5150.

To clarify the whole situation, bmf5150 hasn't bought an M75 or BM75 from me that's less than two years old (BM75's are a little over a year old). That's because I refuse to sell any Scumbacks to him because of his previous actions. So there's no telling what these recordings are. Given his habit of renaming speakers for his own purposes and goals (whatever they are, I'm sure at a loss), there's also no telling if what he's posted above is named correctly, or is actually the speaker he claims it is, either.

I thought that was important to know, especially if you're going to use these clips as some sort of reference for speaker tone.