EVH Reverb setting for TC G Force
Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:25 am
For all the trollers and lurkers heres a cool bone thrown at you.
Heres the shtick.
If you own a G Force, you may be very delighted. Especially of you have a simple wet dry setup.
Or as I am running it Dry Wet Wet setup.
I have taken WDW three cabs and put the two effect cabs in stereo on one side and the dry on the left.
Having screwed and messed with all kinds of stuff lookin for this elusive verb formula I feel I have perfected it.
While I only have the smart phone and no actual computer now to load up clips I would invite anyone to try this setting.
Killdry mode in the g force engaged, feeding the cabs placed on opposite side in stereo from the dry cab-you pick which side is wet and dry here.
Now, create a dual delay preset. Keep the verb off for now by bypassing the verb block or turning its level off.
We are gonna focus on gettin the delay all sweet and cookin first, shape it a bit with the filters to sweeten and soften it up some and settin the level so its not competing against the dry cab but complimenting it and gettin it sounding like a long doubler effect or quick single slap.
One delay is 100ms and the other is 300ms.
Pan and center both delays. Turn off the 300ms out level for now also and focus on the 100ms delay line.
Now run the pipeline across the matrix straight across from the delay block.
Filter on the high end of the delay is 3.16khz to just under 5khz. To taste here. Mine is at or just under 4.56khz on the hi cut.
Bottom end is above 75hz but below 200hz to taste here is your low end window of play to tweak in by ear.
This kinda trims up the delay tone to be in the zone as green back speakers are between 75hz and 5khz response anyway. So you wanna trim inside toward the middle of these two frequencies.
It simulates the loss of frequencies at a distance here.
Keep the top end brighter but low end thinner here in the scheme of things.
Feedback for both delays?
1 repeat. Zero feedback for sure on the 100ms line 1.
Line 2 could have enough to have a very faint second repeat-to taste.
Now?
Run a reverb block in parallel fed and split off from the killdry delay that is passing straight through.
Make sure it looks something like this in the matrix
-----------------delay-----------------------------------------------------------------
I-----reverb------------------------------------
Be sure the verb is below one line and one box space over from the delay block.
Now pick the verb Cathedral in "advanced reverb" for the reverb block.
Zero predelay in the verbs parameters as the 100ms actual killdry delay line IS the predelay!
Turn the dual delays 300ms delay level completely off right now to zero% so you have just one single 100ms repeat a 80-100% level that was set with the output knob on the front panel to 50/50 mix to feed and tweak your verb in.
This single 100ms delay line you want to now balance level wise with the front panel OUTPUT knob against your dry cab to "mix it " for proper wet and dry balance mix.
Remember delay line one level is 80-100% level. Use the g forces output knob to boost or lower the wet cab or stereo cabs against the dry.
Now go into the verb advanced block set to "cathedral" for the reverb "size". The Reverbs " Top color" is set to bright or crisp for me and bottom end is reduced to the lesser portions toward "thin".
You wanna get rid of boominess and bass in the verb here.
"Room Level" is above the normal setting. Raise it to make it more audible and thick. More prominent.
Room level is a very important control as it effects the liveliness and volume of the reflections. As you turn this up and it gets too loud mix wise just reduce the input level to bring it back down so its makin the sound you like but at the right level in relation to the verb.
It kinda jacks up the resonance inside the room you are emulating so very touchy control here in the TC.
The kicker??
You aren't gonna have a verb tail much longer than 1 second. Its between 1-1.5 seconds of verb tail.
More about 1sec for me in my settings.
Now? You have that 100ms slap happening?? At almost a 1-1 mix ratio?? Of wet and dry?
Start at about 30-40% "input level" in the reverb block while its output is maxed. Slowly raise the "input level" of the verb (which is fed by the delay block that is already mixed against the dry cab for wet dry ratio) and begin clouding up that 100ms single slap delay line.
Stand back folks. Don't cum on your socks
You will begin to see how this will absolutely take a fat shit on anything Lexicon ever thought of doin.
And I been all over my PCM80!
The verbs are much smoother, airier, and transparent than the Lex's ever thought of being. In comparison its like silk vs sandpaper and realistic vs completely fake.
Trust me, I wasn't able to believe it myself. But its true.
TC has amazing ass kicking real sounding verb after all.
And its much more sophisticated and smoother than lexicons. By far. The early reflections and smooth transparency is miles ahead!
And most of all?? They really have mind blowing "room" simulations in the G-Force verbs that are really truely amazing! The depth is astounding if you pulled it together right.
Wanna take this setting bluesier??
Start bringin up the level of the verb in comparison to the delay and just a smidge more decay time added to taste.
Now you can start bringing up that 300ms delay line to taste.
Or not at all. The parts for the echoplex at 300ms and the levels??
You can simply blend in a tiny bit like the beginning of panama or higher like spots of VH1.
Plus there is a cross feedback level of the dual delay lines you can play with last. But not really neccassary.
You are gonna shit.
I have delay line 2's level hooked to my expression pedal so I can swell it in how I want seemlessly. Works like a charm and no preset change needed with program gaps or artifacts.
Hopefully someone gets this, tries it, and reports back.
I am gonna say this one time.
You will never get this out of a Lexicon ever.
And I been at this a long ass time!
The spatial image of the verb is truely 3D and so smooth and subtle. And done right??
Its a slap lag deck signal buried so carefully in just the right kinda verb. Nails it balls out
One box does it all.
Get the Level of delay to dry balanced. Then add the verb to the delay in balance. In parallel in the matrix.
I have had different delays and fx boxes all running through a mixer with outboard delays using the verb in the tc in parallel and it was kick ass. Now its like I only need this one box really and no outboard mixer per sey cause you can do these parallel tricks internally and when I began using levels instead of mix to adjust things it really made a difference.
Heres the shtick.
If you own a G Force, you may be very delighted. Especially of you have a simple wet dry setup.
Or as I am running it Dry Wet Wet setup.
I have taken WDW three cabs and put the two effect cabs in stereo on one side and the dry on the left.
Having screwed and messed with all kinds of stuff lookin for this elusive verb formula I feel I have perfected it.
While I only have the smart phone and no actual computer now to load up clips I would invite anyone to try this setting.
Killdry mode in the g force engaged, feeding the cabs placed on opposite side in stereo from the dry cab-you pick which side is wet and dry here.
Now, create a dual delay preset. Keep the verb off for now by bypassing the verb block or turning its level off.
We are gonna focus on gettin the delay all sweet and cookin first, shape it a bit with the filters to sweeten and soften it up some and settin the level so its not competing against the dry cab but complimenting it and gettin it sounding like a long doubler effect or quick single slap.
One delay is 100ms and the other is 300ms.
Pan and center both delays. Turn off the 300ms out level for now also and focus on the 100ms delay line.
Now run the pipeline across the matrix straight across from the delay block.
Filter on the high end of the delay is 3.16khz to just under 5khz. To taste here. Mine is at or just under 4.56khz on the hi cut.
Bottom end is above 75hz but below 200hz to taste here is your low end window of play to tweak in by ear.
This kinda trims up the delay tone to be in the zone as green back speakers are between 75hz and 5khz response anyway. So you wanna trim inside toward the middle of these two frequencies.
It simulates the loss of frequencies at a distance here.
Keep the top end brighter but low end thinner here in the scheme of things.
Feedback for both delays?
1 repeat. Zero feedback for sure on the 100ms line 1.
Line 2 could have enough to have a very faint second repeat-to taste.
Now?
Run a reverb block in parallel fed and split off from the killdry delay that is passing straight through.
Make sure it looks something like this in the matrix
-----------------delay-----------------------------------------------------------------
I-----reverb------------------------------------
Be sure the verb is below one line and one box space over from the delay block.
Now pick the verb Cathedral in "advanced reverb" for the reverb block.
Zero predelay in the verbs parameters as the 100ms actual killdry delay line IS the predelay!
Turn the dual delays 300ms delay level completely off right now to zero% so you have just one single 100ms repeat a 80-100% level that was set with the output knob on the front panel to 50/50 mix to feed and tweak your verb in.
This single 100ms delay line you want to now balance level wise with the front panel OUTPUT knob against your dry cab to "mix it " for proper wet and dry balance mix.
Remember delay line one level is 80-100% level. Use the g forces output knob to boost or lower the wet cab or stereo cabs against the dry.
Now go into the verb advanced block set to "cathedral" for the reverb "size". The Reverbs " Top color" is set to bright or crisp for me and bottom end is reduced to the lesser portions toward "thin".
You wanna get rid of boominess and bass in the verb here.
"Room Level" is above the normal setting. Raise it to make it more audible and thick. More prominent.
Room level is a very important control as it effects the liveliness and volume of the reflections. As you turn this up and it gets too loud mix wise just reduce the input level to bring it back down so its makin the sound you like but at the right level in relation to the verb.
It kinda jacks up the resonance inside the room you are emulating so very touchy control here in the TC.
The kicker??
You aren't gonna have a verb tail much longer than 1 second. Its between 1-1.5 seconds of verb tail.
More about 1sec for me in my settings.
Now? You have that 100ms slap happening?? At almost a 1-1 mix ratio?? Of wet and dry?
Start at about 30-40% "input level" in the reverb block while its output is maxed. Slowly raise the "input level" of the verb (which is fed by the delay block that is already mixed against the dry cab for wet dry ratio) and begin clouding up that 100ms single slap delay line.
Stand back folks. Don't cum on your socks
You will begin to see how this will absolutely take a fat shit on anything Lexicon ever thought of doin.
And I been all over my PCM80!
The verbs are much smoother, airier, and transparent than the Lex's ever thought of being. In comparison its like silk vs sandpaper and realistic vs completely fake.
Trust me, I wasn't able to believe it myself. But its true.
TC has amazing ass kicking real sounding verb after all.
And its much more sophisticated and smoother than lexicons. By far. The early reflections and smooth transparency is miles ahead!
And most of all?? They really have mind blowing "room" simulations in the G-Force verbs that are really truely amazing! The depth is astounding if you pulled it together right.
Wanna take this setting bluesier??
Start bringin up the level of the verb in comparison to the delay and just a smidge more decay time added to taste.
Now you can start bringing up that 300ms delay line to taste.
Or not at all. The parts for the echoplex at 300ms and the levels??
You can simply blend in a tiny bit like the beginning of panama or higher like spots of VH1.
Plus there is a cross feedback level of the dual delay lines you can play with last. But not really neccassary.
You are gonna shit.
I have delay line 2's level hooked to my expression pedal so I can swell it in how I want seemlessly. Works like a charm and no preset change needed with program gaps or artifacts.
Hopefully someone gets this, tries it, and reports back.
I am gonna say this one time.
You will never get this out of a Lexicon ever.
And I been at this a long ass time!
The spatial image of the verb is truely 3D and so smooth and subtle. And done right??
Its a slap lag deck signal buried so carefully in just the right kinda verb. Nails it balls out
One box does it all.
Get the Level of delay to dry balanced. Then add the verb to the delay in balance. In parallel in the matrix.
I have had different delays and fx boxes all running through a mixer with outboard delays using the verb in the tc in parallel and it was kick ass. Now its like I only need this one box really and no outboard mixer per sey cause you can do these parallel tricks internally and when I began using levels instead of mix to adjust things it really made a difference.