Necrovore??

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:35 pm

Nothing really comes to mind. I was pretty much were your at a while back but I went with the SLO. Many people feel the Engl IE4 preamp is just what your talking about but Ive enver played that.

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:38 pm

Fender Metalhead(actually not bad sounding but goofy looking as all get out)

I saw that thing in the catalogs and about freakin' died. How did those cosmetics get past the brass and into production?? Looks like the damn Tonka Truck of amps, like the construction guy from the Village People could be pictured in an ad for it with his little hardhat on.

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:40 pm

C'mon, Necrovore, you know you've got the cash you wanna drop on that Diezel!! If you can find one to try out!!

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:47 pm

And last but not least

, does the sound of the JCM900's come close to what you need? A 100 watt Dual Reverb shouldn't be too hard to find at decent $$. I know they had way more gain than I could ever imagine needing, and the clean sound was as good to my ears as a DR (which I'm not sure is a compliment at that......) You could pick up three for the price of the new stuff.

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:52 pm

YOU MEAN THE NEW JSX AMPS ACTUALLY SUCK!!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!! Not from someone who was genius enough to stick a DS1 in front of a 6100!!!

Yeah you aint kiddin. The MH looks like a fucking erector set creation. How the hell did that design get approved. I hate to be the close minded type but if I saw some metal looking guy opening for my band and he walked in and plopped that monstrocity on top of my rig Id fall over.

Necrovore · Post by **Necrovore** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:50 pm

Flames, thing about the 900's is that while they are gainy they use the wrong type of gain that I am looking for. It's that really funny Jube type diode gain that doesn't sound all that cool in my ears.

As for the Diezel? Fuck that!!! Ide rather spend $4.5k on a Moser custom Shop guitar. That be all end all Uberschall looked like a poor take on the cosmetics of a Hiwatt with absolutely none of the class of a Hiwatt. The two channels on it are designated by an opaque white plastic plexi bar with Channel 1 or two then Bass, mid, pres, trebl, etc.. Total shit for a $2500 amp. The Diezel looks like a freaking soundboard in an amp case.

Dan, when I checked out the Peavey stuff I plugged into them saying to myself "Ok, lets hear how this garbage sounds". The salesman didn't even get past turning one of the tone knobs when I turned the amp off on him.

Dunno Ive been reading up on that Caswell mod over at LPF and MAF I would like to have a talk with that guy before I decide what route to take.

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:20 pm

Dunno Ive been reading up on that Caswell mod over at LPF and MAF I would like to have a talk with that guy before I decide what route to take.

It very well might be worth a shot. The cash outlay isn't as huge, just small enough that if it doesn't work out you're still not out so much cash that you'll have to put off the DR purchase long.
I know a guy here in Des Moines that has a JCM800 with an added gain stage that he swears by, says it was the best money he ever spent having that amp modded. I'm not sure he's quite as hardcore metal as you, but he's close, I think his last band was with Slipknot's original singer (who is an absolute FREAK by the way.) If you could see yourself in a band named "Painface" then the sound may fit.

But soundguys must hate his ass, 100 watts, full stack and no attenuator.

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:24 pm

I run into a guy all the time around here in a band called LeCompt who was in the hair band Brittany Fox back in the day and he plays shows in small Philly bars with a full out JCM800, no attenuation. The sound guys dont even put him through.

Necrovore · Post by **Necrovore** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:50 pm

Hell when we get the bitchy soundguys complaining about volume levels just tell them to pull the guitars out of the mix except for leads. Always funny when a soundguy who runs a 1200 watt+ PA has problems working with guitar amps.

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:35 am

Necrovore wrote:Hell when we get the bitchy soundguys complaining about volume levels just tell them to pull the guitars out of the mix except for leads. Always funny when a soundguy who runs a 1200 watt+ PA has problems working with guitar amps.

No doubt! The one time my last band played the skanky club that Slipknot came up through (WHAT A SHITHOLE!! I was scared to take a piss in that john, man) the soundguy was whining about not being able to balance in my 50 watt Marshall over his 1500 watts of PA. What a jackass. That was when I started just firing my cab sideways into a wall.

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:44 am

A 100W guitar amp is louder then a 1500W PA.

myker · Post by **myker** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:27 pm

A 100W guitar amp is louder then a 1500W PA.

a guitar amp is louder than a 12,000 watt pa, i know from experience. it isn't until about 40,000 watts that you stop having problems with loud guitar amps. thats what monitors are for..i have been on both sides of the console, and let me tell you an asshole that wont turn down his guitar ruins the mix for the whole band and for the audience. kind of counter-effective if you ask me. but guitarist are notorious for that shit. doing live sound sucks, its always your fault if it sounds like shit, even if the band wont cooperate with you. alot of times the band members forget that the sound guy does sound there all the time, he knows the room, the mics, the console, and has the same goals as you...to make your band sound their best...it's not a power trip.
the best solution is like flames said, turn that shit around backwards or into a wall and turn it up...
mike

Post by **VelvetGeorge** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:13 pm

I thought that figure needed an extra zero as well. From 1200 to 12,000.

I've been on both sides myself, and a monitor engineer for national acts.
It is always counter productive when anyone involved refuses to budge. The overall production suffers.

Ergonomics really is key. You don't always have to turn your amp all the way around. Just turning it a few degress so it's not ripping the engineer's head off can make a huge difference. Tilting it up can be effective as well.

As a guitar player, it never ceases to amaze me when I'm told to turn down and them the drummer starts pounding away at 155-120 db on stage. What the fuck???

Perseption, that's what. Drum hits are momentary transients of high SPL. You have time in between hits to recover. Guitar at 115db's is constant. More fatiguing. Not to mention frequencies invloved.

I've had to mix bands that thought they were AC/DC. Everything suffers. But I understand the guitarist mindset too. Ultimately, you just have to realize that your dealing with physics and that a little compromize goes a long way. This holds true for soundmen and musicians alike.
Also keep in mind that people tend to hear with their eyes. And those Marshall stacks are intimidating. They know they're going to think it's too loud before you even hit the power switch.

My advice: buy the soundman a shot as soon as you meet him. And then another before sound check. It can't hurt......

George

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:20 pm

I wasnt saying it was only louder then a 1500W PA only that it is louder then a 1500W PA.