The Future Of The Guitar and Amplifier Culture ?

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:46 am

Great thoughts Fillmore ! I love 'long winded' posts, cause thats whats great about this forum. Guy's taking the time to fully communicate themselves with each other

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I honestly believe that the music us guy's embrace, will be around for a long, long time. I mean, I can listen to Scotty Moore's solo in "Hound Dog" today, and think, "That was great", with all those distorted double stops ringing out in aggression, and those funky 'walking' blues lines in it. That was in '56 I think, so maybe things will change to the same degree/ratio as that in the next 51 years. That wouldnt be so bad.

And as far as amps, guitars and effects go, I believe the 'technology' side of it has gotten out of hand a bit again, just like it did in the 80's, with all the solid state amps, and rack gear and so forth. The pattern I see is that things build up to extreme technological levels, whether its guitar technique, like the Shrapnel shredders of the late 80's-early 90's, or production, like using way too many tracks and recording 'variables'. This always reaches a zenith, and then colapses, followed by a decade or so of rebuilding back up again.

There are many guy's who already (all us here) and 'will' understand this need of ours to express. Like I know that many musicians, like classical purists and jazz 'snobs', do not understand how we feel when we are bending a note with that 'blaring' distorted quality. But Scotty Moore, A&BB King, and Buddy Guy did over 50 yrs ago, and so too will many more in another 50.

johniss0001 · Post by **johniss0001** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:13 pm

I turned 17 this year i've been playing since the age of 8 and i started with what people say the worst of instruments i have an old saxon les paul custom copy that rarely keeps a tune cause of the machine heads and an old harmony strat that is beat to shit but i would never change these guitars for the world. Most of the time i've been playing i have always wanted a gibson and a marshall well when i started. I saved bout 6 years to get my old sg and i was given my old marshall as a gift. I have been looking at the price of 4x12s for years cause well you gotta ave a 4x12 to go with the marshall and i came to the conclusion i could never afford one being

fillmore nyc · Post by **fillmore nyc** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:35 pm

Tone Slinger wrote:Great thoughts Fillmore ! I love 'long winded' posts, cause thats whats great about this forum. Guy's taking the time to fully communicate themselves with each other .

I honestly believe that the music us guy's embrace, will be around for a long, long time. I mean, I can listen to Scotty Moore's solo in "Hound Dog" today, and think, "That was great", with all those distorted double stops ringing out in aggression, and those funky 'walking' blues lines in it. That was in '56 I think, so maybe things will change to the same degree/ratio as that in the next 51 years. That wouldnt be so bad.

And as far as amps, guitars and effects go, I believe the 'technology' side of it has gotten out of hand a bit again, just like it did in the 80's, with all the solid state amps, and rack gear and so forth. The pattern I see is that things build up to extreme technological levels, whether its guitar technique, like the Shrapnel shredders of the late 80's-early 90's, or production, like using way too many tracks and recording 'variables'. This always reaches a zenith, and then colapses, followed by a decade or so of rebuilding back up again.

There are many guy's who already (all us here) and 'will' understand this need of ours to express. Like I know that many musicians, like classical purists and jazz 'snobs', do not understand how we feel when we are bending a note with that 'blaring' distorted quality. But Scotty Moore, A&BB King, and Buddy Guy did over 50 yrs ago, and so too will many more in another 50.

Man, you're not kidding about those old Scotty Moore solo's. They had a special on Elvis recently on a local radio station, and they did about an hour of his old Sun session days. The guitar tone... oh, man that tone. It is SO raw in an old "Bassman" kinda way. You can just hear that old jazz box about to come apart in Scottys hands. Beautiful stuff. And as far as the long winded posts (here it comes), I agree totally and completely. Its awesome to let it all hang out with members of this forum, and to get it back in return, all in an intelligent, well thought out give and take. Even when it gets a little "hot" between some members, its really just passionate hearts doing expressive battle, if you will. I, for one, love it, and am truly grateful to be a part of it. Its always cool to see a new thread (or reply to an existing thread) from you, or Chief, or Yngwie, Johniss, Rockstah, Eargasm, or any of the other zillion members, and really "get into it" on a deep level. Awesome shit, guys, really awesome. My sincere thanks. PS, Johniss--you said that " People say kids of today are ungreateful and don't appreciate these supposed gems they have". Dont listen to 'em. I just turned 50 in August, and I have MUCH respect for people in every age bracket, from pre-teen, to kids in their early 90's. Its about who you are. I would WAY rather shoot the shit with someone that just turned 17, that has their shit together, and has an open mind, and something meaningful to contribute, than some jackoff my own age (or older) who's gonna "tell me how it is". Cause you know what? NOBODY can tell you "how it is"... you get to figure that one out on your own, USING an open, honest mind, making your own sucesses (and mistakes), picking up what you need along the way, and discarding what you dont. And you'll become an awesome middle aged man that, one day, some 17 year old man will say, "hey, that Johniss is 50?? Wow, he's pretty cool for his age. Keep all the things in your heart that make you happy as you navigate your way through life, and NEVER give them up because someone "thinks you're too old for that". Im 50, I still play FRIGGIN' LOUD GUITAR, I ride my motorcycle fast, and I bang the shit out of my (much younger) wife, CAUSE I LOVE TO. So many dudes I work with say shit to me like "oh you're crazy... when you gonna grow up". I dunno, maybe next lifetime. For now, there's a killa party goin' on, and Im gonna be there...

johniss0001 · Post by **johniss0001** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:56 pm

"Dont listen to 'em. I just turned 50 in August, and I have MUCH respect for people in every age bracket, from pre-teen, to kids in their early 90's. Its about who you are. I would WAY rather shoot the shit with someone that just turned 17, that has their shit together, and has an open mind, and something meaningful to contribute, than some jackoff my own age (or older) who's gonna "tell me how it is". Cause you know what? NOBODY can tell you "how it is"... you get to figure that one out on your own, USING an open, honest mind, making your own sucesses (and mistakes), picking up what you need along the way, and discarding what you dont. And you'll become an awesome middle aged man that, one day, some 17 year old man will say, "hey, that Johniss is 50?? Wow, he's pretty cool for his age. Keep all the things in your heart that make you happy as you navigate your way through life, and NEVER give them up because someone "thinks you're too old for that". Im 50, I still play FRIGGIN' LOUD GUITAR, I ride my motorcycle fast, and I bang the shit out of my (much younger) wife, CAUSE I LOVE TO. So many dudes I work with say shit to me like "oh you're crazy... when you gonna grow up". I dunno, maybe next lifetime. For now, there's a killa party goin' on, and Im gonna be there... Cool Cool Cool "

haha man erm i'm the 1 telling kids to appreciate what they have i got a mate who wanted to tear up and old valuable wem cab i stopped him and he was gonna waste his dosh on some shitty budget hartke and i said your amp you have will currently blow it away and you know what that bugger finally listened to me. and i've proved him with modern stuff haha. lol you have some life playing rock hard and partying ach there's plenty of time to rest when you die

just live for now man

Eargasm · Post by **Eargasm** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:31 pm

fillmore nyc wrote:And as far as the long winded posts (here it comes), I agree totally and completely. Its awesome to let it all hang out with members of this forum, and to get it back in return, all in an intelligent, well thought out give and take. Even when it gets a little "hot" between some members, its really just passionate hearts doing expressive battle, if you will. I, for one, love it, and am truly grateful to be a part of it. Its always cool to see a new thread (or reply to an existing thread) from you, or Chief, or Yngwie, Johniss, Rockstah, Eargasm, or any of the other zillion members, and really "get into it" on a deep level. Awesome shit, guys, really awesome. My sincere thanks. PS, Johniss--you said that " People say kids of today are ungreateful and don't appreciate these supposed gems they have". Dont listen to 'em. I just turned 50 in August, and I have MUCH respect for people in every age bracket, from pre-teen, to kids in their early 90's. Its about who you are. I would WAY rather shoot the shit with someone that just turned 17, that has their shit together, and has an open mind, and something meaningful to contribute, than some jackoff my own age (or older) who's gonna "tell me how it is". Cause you know what? NOBODY can tell you "how it is"... you get to figure that one out on your own, USING an open, honest mind, making your own sucesses (and mistakes), picking up what you need along the way, and discarding what you dont. And you'll become an awesome middle aged man that, one day, some 17 year old man will say, "hey, that Johniss is 50?? Wow, he's pretty cool for his age. Keep all the things in your heart that make you happy as you navigate your way through life, and NEVER give them up because someone "thinks you're too old for that". Im 50, I still play FRIGGIN' LOUD GUITAR, I ride my motorcycle fast, and I bang the shit out of my (much younger) wife, CAUSE I LOVE TO. So many dudes I work with say shit to me like "oh you're crazy... when you gonna grow up". I dunno, maybe next lifetime. For now, there's a killa party goin' on, and Im gonna be there...

Killer post Fill...exceptional words of wisdom. TS is rockin' too, and John, you sound like you are way ahead of your peers...good for you! One thing though - and you can take it or leave it - I have found that as I get older, (I'm almost 44) the more I appreciate not only the instrument but it's legacy. That might be a hard thing for you to see right now, but maybe try to see it this way...if you have a friend that is new and he/she is cool, but you also have a longtime friend that have proven themselves for years...which one would you trust most?
Vintage gear is like that. A bit of advice...don't sell or get rid of anything that you think is cool....when you are 40, it WILL be vintage. Bottom line though, I think it's awesome that you appreciate and are grateful for what you have, regardless of whether or not it's vintage. That is the very best attitude to have. Rock on bro!

By the way, Scotty rocks! I also dig Cliffy (Gallup) and Jimmy Bryant just slays me!!! PING!!!! Awesome stuff.

johniss0001 · Post by **johniss0001** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:39 pm

eargasm i agree but thing is all of my gear is vintage the newest thing i have is prob 5 years old lol, i get bout the gear and your metaphor to a friend. and i won't get rid of anything

yngwie308 · Post by **yngwie308** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:40 am

Adding to this great thread, I must discuss the great Terry Kath.
What a great influence on me and rock guitar in general was Terry, who never reached his full potential. Great singer, songwriter and of course guitarist, both lead and rhythm, as he combined both as all the greats do.
I'll never forget getting my copy of CTA and being stunned by the intensity of his playing on I'm A Man and Free Form Guitar in particular.
The controlled explosions of his dynamic playing, planted seeds in my musical ear that took growth later and I gravitated towards players with that wild sense of abandon feel later, such as Tommy Bolin.
I thought, let me look up Terry and see if there is anything new on Youth Tube, and lo and behold a gem from 1970 and some raw footage from '69, portraying the band at their awesome peak, sure I bought Chicago II and III, also the Live Box Set LP's at Carnegie Hall and enjoyed them, but after III, it wasn't the same.
The raw energy and fantastic recorded feel of the rhythm and horn section on the first album, have cut a groove in my brain, that can never be erased!
A lot of people haven't forgotten Terry, so hopefully he will be remembered for more than 25 or 6 to 4, which apparently has none of the popularly believed misconceptions as to it's meaning!
Here are some clips to help us remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOvGa-8-Lns

This has a great breakdown of the solo from 25 or 6 to 4 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRKsFo1bImo

http://philbrodieband.com/muso_terry_kath.htm
http://www.timmwood.com/kathfaq.html

Great stuff!
Yngwie308

fillmore nyc · Post by **fillmore nyc** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:30 pm

yngwie308 wrote:Adding to this great thread, I must discuss the great Terry Kath.
What a great influence on me and rock guitar in general was Terry, who never reached his full potential. Great singer, songwriter and of course guitarist, both lead and rhythm, as he combined both as all the greats do.
I'll never forget getting my copy of CTA and being stunned by the intensity of his playing on I'm A Man and Free Form Guitar in particular.
The controlled explosions of his dynamic playing, planted seeds in my musical ear that took growth later and I gravitated towards players with that wild sense of abandon feel later, such as Tommy Bolin.
I thought, let me look up Terry and see if there is anything new on Youth Tube, and lo and behold a gem from 1970 and some raw footage from '69, portraying the band at their awesome peak, sure I bought Chicago II and III, also the Live Box Set LP's at Carnegie Hall and enjoyed them, but after III, it wasn't the same.
The raw energy and fantastic recorded feel of the rhythm and horn section on the first album, have cut a groove in my brain, that can never be erased!
A lot of people haven't forgotten Terry, so hopefully he will be remembered for more than 25 or 6 to 4, which apparently has none of the popularly believed misconceptions as to it's meaning!

Its really a shame, the way he exited. As great as he was, it goes to show you that all the success, all the public approval, all the adoration in the world wont make up for a one second lapse in judgement. So many of the people we admire have fallen victim to this unfortunate human trait. So unnecessary.