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Post by zaphod777 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:43 am

To inflict pain intentionally is wrong. I do not need a final 'outcome' or a 'reward' to live my life in a peaceful/wholesome manner.
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I guess its appropriate to say that WHATEVER way we choose to go thru life (whether thats with religion, or if you're an atheist) as long as we have respect, and concern and compassion, its pretty much all good.
Couldnt agree more, with both of you.

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Post by yngwie308 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:38 pm

+1 on the Christian's reference, let's leave us out of this mess, as has been the said the world is diseased and dying, so let's do what we can, help those we can, and pray for less violence and hate in the world.
I feel sorry for all of God's creatures, especially animals, who didn't ask for all this end to their existence and had no part in screwing it up, that's man's job, and what a grand job he has done. :cry:

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Post by NY Chief » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:51 pm

[quote="yngwie308]I feel sorry for all of God's creatures, especially animals, who didn't ask for all this
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+1 Dave, you had to see the f'bn Llamas running from the fires in OC. HUMAN SET BTW, f'n scumbags :evil:
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Post by toner » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:14 pm

Tone Slinger wrote:I'm not religious or anything. I am often offended by other's, because I take offense to having them believe I'm destined to go to a 'bad place', based on my beliefs. I do not apply this 'illogic 'to them...
...I do not need a final 'outcome' or a 'reward' to live my life in a peaceful/wholesome manner. However, I do feel that many people do.
I won't force my beliefs on anyone. God doesn't even do that. However, I truly believe that how you live your life and treat others means absolutely nothing without Salvation. You can be the most compassionate, moral person in the history of mankind and it won't do you a bit of good on judgment day if you haven't accepted Jesus as your Savior. Is it good to treat others with love and compassion? Yes, of course, but doing "good deeds" has nothing to do with Salvation. A lot of people totally misunderstand this. That's all I will say. :D
fillmore nyc wrote:BTW, toner, I shouldnt be so presumptuous to say, but I THINK 5150's ref to Christians freaking out was more or less an attempt at humor. Maybe misplaced, but Im pretty sure there was no disrespect intended. 8) 8)
I don't think it was disrespectful either. It was probably more for "shock value".
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Post by NY Chief » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:24 pm

Lions 20...Christians 0....... :? :shock:
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Post by fillmore nyc » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:01 pm

yngwie308 wrote:+1 on the Christian's reference, let's leave us out of this mess, as has been the said the world is diseased and dying, so let's do what we can, help those we can, and pray for less violence and hate in the world.
I feel sorry for all of God's creatures, especially animals, who didn't ask for all this end to their existence and had no part in screwing it up, that's man's job, and what a grand job he has done. :cry:
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You know, I KNOW this is really unrealistic, and maybe even a little "fairy tale" sounding, but its something I do from time to time. Every now and then, like if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night, it will be really quiet, maybe the only sound is the occasional cab honking its horn way below me somewhere. Ill lay there and say a short prayer that even if its just for a minute, that ALL the living creatures on Earth could have just a moments peace. No fighting, no noise, no aggression, no fear, nobody hunting them, no negative thoughts at all. Just a moment when the guard can be let down, a calming breath can be exhaled, and there is peace... I know how unrealistic that is, but maybe if I do that enough, He'll do that for everyone and everything just once... just for a moment. Just one moment of real peace TOGETHER. I also know its coming someday, but the price we are paying along the way is great, and in the bigger picture, the varied existences (both human and animal) getting layed to waste for our lack of discretion dont deserve it at all.

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Post by 5150loveeddie » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:49 pm

toner wrote:
Tone Slinger wrote:
fillmore nyc wrote:BTW, toner, I shouldnt be so presumptuous to say, but I THINK 5150's ref to Christians freaking out was more or less an attempt at humor. Maybe misplaced, but Im pretty sure there was no disrespect intended. 8) 8)
I don't think it was disrespectful either. It was probably more for "shock value".
Sorry if I did sound a little OFF line here. Didn't mean any bad intentions here, just a different point of view on things. I'm Christan myseft (well Catholic) and the more I age the more I see things that humans do that scares the shit out of me, like in that film, specialy the last few parts of it, My Church is govern by other humans and I douldt more and more the integrity of some of them, they are not all so perfect as they wants us to beleive they are and that goes for most religions. They will pervert our perceptions of the real truth trought the ages just to scare and control people.

The more I age the more I beleive we are all getting scammed from all directions, just want US (the regular people, not the "leaders" of this fucked up world) to wake up a little, I know it is hard when you get brain wash, manipulate, etc...but we have to act...
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Post by Billy Batz » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:41 am

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Post by Bad Kitty » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:57 am

toner wrote: You can be the most compassionate, moral person in the history of mankind and it won't do you a bit of good on judgment day if you haven't accepted Jesus as your Savior.
Respectfully ,toner, if you honestly believe that you should probably crack that Bible open instead of just thumping it.

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Post by Eargasm » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:15 am

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Post by mightymike » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:17 am

I don't go to Church,but I accepted Christ as my saviour as a Child and still believe, but not as strong as when I was a kid. I wish I did, because it is compforting to think that you will meet your loved ones in heaven one day, and that they're not just dust in the wind. When my grandfather died in Dec 99, it really shook my faith because I never got a sign. I've never seen one supernatural thing in my life. But then again, I can go somewhere beautiful like the Redwood Forrest and say to myself, "How can this have occured randomly?" And I am moved by the beauty of it. Is this spiritual? I don't know.

Bottom line is I don't don't have all the answers. So what I do is try to believe, but if there is a God, I know he sees how weak my faith is. I try not to share these feelings of doubt with people I led to Christ before my grandfather died, less I give them doubts, and have that crown taken away, or tell my mother so I don't make her scared for my soul, and just try live my life by the golden rule, and not judge people.

I think if you do that, you don't really have to remember all the other rules and rituals, because if you are treating others as you would have them treat you, then you won't be breaking any of the other rules. Another thing I try to do, is not judge anyone, less I be judged by that same standard.

Like I said, I don't have all the answers, or very strong faith, but I try to instill it in my kids, and pray that one day I will see that miracle, like some out there who have seen a ghost, or have had a near death experience, and have no doubt that there is a supernatural/spiritual world out there. After his death I wanted to see something spiritual so bad, that I would have wanted to see a demon, just to know that there is something out there.

I know someone who was pronounced dead, and they said they were hovering over their body in the hospital. This person has no doubt that there is a spirit, and an afterlife. Must be nice, becasue for a couple years after my granfathers death, when I would think about existence, I would get this overwhelming depsression/fearful feeling for him and me. Some call it existential blues.

I had to force myself to think about something else, because the thought of not existing. The thought of my kids not existing, freaked me out there for a while.

Around that time of my Granfather's death, my eldest Son (who was 5 at the time) had a bird that died. And he tearfully asked me if he was going to die one day as he realized he was mortal. I was honest with him. I wish he could have gone longer not knowing that.


Hope this shit didn't bring anyone down with this.

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Post by NY Chief » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:25 am

mightymike wrote:
Hope this shit didn't bring anyone down with this.
Not at all, Mikey. It's the nature of life on this planet. We all have those questions at some point. I was mad at The "Boss" for the longest time when my Dad died at 41 (I was 12). Sometimes I still have my doubts....
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Post by cole » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:56 am

Hey MM,

Great post, and I do believe in God and was brought up in a Christian home. I'm glad for that and still don't have all the answers. I believe that we shouldn't try to make sense of it all because we are after all only human.

I have a four year old son who asks me at times about why his grandma is dead, where she is now, and will he ever see her. I get all choked up about this stuff and I hope we do go somewhere better after this life, but even the most devout Christian lives only by faith and has no way to say absolutely no doubt that God really does exist.

My nephew is now studying to become a pastor (not an easy life) and it's because he's had a lot of 'incidents' occur in his life that tell him he's to do this 'work'. But, in reality, is it really God talking or is it the way he prefers to interpret the 'message'...whatever that is. Who can say...and he wasn't raised in a Christian home which make me think twice about whether he is deluding himself because he feels strongly about this move in his life.

Me...I thing about things like WWII and all the people who suffered in places like Auschwitz and little boys my son's age being led into gas chambers to die....and I think what a merciless God. It cannot make sense and no matter how much I was told or taught in church, I have to think that if God is coming back to earth will it indeed take an act of man destroying himself to do it? From what the world has seen over just even the past several decades, it would seem that nothing short of a world (human race) blown away by the bomb would make it happen.

Does it make sense? And are we only here on earth for our very short lives to make a choice between heaven and hell?

I wish too that I had that revelation that YES I believe, because I have experienced IT, whatever that IT is...a message, a sign, etc. But I have not, so I must act on faith just like the rest...and hope that my heart is pure enough.

This is a very intense topic...far from building amps! :D

My last comment will be that we all go forward in our lives with an open mind, ask questions, and be the best people that we can be...if we make a positive difference in this world, then that's all we can hope for.

Religion and the church is not something I want in my life, because I feel that if you have a personal relationship with God then that's good enough.


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Post by Eargasm » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:28 pm

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