A little help if you please...(Eisenhower content)

[frenchie]

no government ever created by man can withstand a popular movement.

old truth man unfortunately ..... no government COULD withstand a popular movement , true.... but with the directed energy weapons able to contain crowd movements or single individuals like they have now ( and man i tell you they are powerfull and VERY versatile little gadgets ) it is hardly the same ( the mediatic , psychologic , weaponry they have now is also noticably improved since a few years , as well as conventionnal weapons ).....
true , everyone ( wether they say it or not , fearing or not fearing something ) IS pissed off ....but the true question is why they don't do or shout anything ? because they are uneducated ??? surely not , even the worst moron is able to see when someone steals in his pocket , to me it's simply because a movement needs leaders of opinion who make the first impulse cuz seeing these big guys starting to do something encourage the others to do so , and generally leaders of opinion Are educated , but just because they are educated they don't do anything , cuz they know very well which type of sky would fall on their heads if they move a single finger ... they ALL have their faces on all kinds of fancy official or "unofficial" governmental files already ..... wether you're talking about big economists/scientifics which know well of what's going on or the simple student who know the rough schematic .... "brains are dangerous but don't worry citizen , everything's under control" ....
orwell 's been a great envisionnist but forgot a few things since science wasn't as advanced as it is now.....
BILLION MOUTAINS of techniques to silence someone or a group of someones ..i tell you ...public discredit , loss of job , hacking of online bank accound , psychologic operations , isolation from the others , stalking , empoisonning of his house's water systems ( poisons which degradate for sure ,they surely would have proofs against them ) , aiming powerfull electromagnetic impulsions at his house ( if someone is stupid enough to tell me it doesn't exist or that magnetic impultions don't affect health then i'm gonna get mad , hell i'm scientific and strongly hate moronic politically correct but scientifically wrong bullshit ) ...and i forget some of the combinations possible between all this shit , some more subtle than others ....so as you can see you've got the choice....

[lifer]

hi frenchie-good to hear from you

yes, it does look pretty damn dismal at this point in time. you also mention some definate human 'faults'. no doubt. however, the economic truths i've mention are still valid regardless. i think you are assuming a great many things right off the bat that may not be true. you are betting on a lot "ifs". too keep this short!..... you are assuming that "the military" will automatically side with the state. that is not to be assumed.

also, i believe you underestimate the human spirit and ability. the smallest minorities have been the ones to change the course of history.

let's say armed revolt would actually happen. what kind of conflict would it be? it's not going to be the old time "frontal assault"! the rebels would be destroyed in the first engagement. it's going to be all guerilla warfare. this is of great advantage to the rebellion. the small bands of fighters can strike by surprise and disappear in the land they are very intimite with. local fighters know local people....they will have help. lookouts, spies...etc. sure, government troops have some incredible tools at their disposal.....but they still gotta see you! the rebels would have to carefully "pick their fights" to be effective.

in addition, guerilla warfare IS amazingly effective against the enemy. there is nothing better than to be a constant badger and thorn in the side of the beaurecratic style army. i believe vietnam showed a bit of that to the america AND to france in the 50's. it is not flexible in command or as quick to adapt to changing situations. professional soldiers need orders first! the constant harassment is demoralizing and embarrassing to the enemy. it drastically increases their cost of conducting the war...money and manpower. guerilla action slowly grinds down your opponent. it can be done.

***if you fight evil, you may lose. if you do not fight evil....you WILL lose.***

man up!!!

[frenchie]

yes your economical view is right lifer , but i wasn't assuming military would side the states , in fact i already know military is pissed off too , but where i made a mistake was where i forgot to precise my view , all these weapons are owned by the army , right , but they are also owned by more obscure industrial groups or powerfull organisations and secret services , and when the army isn't forced to side any government ( in fact in history a lot of "coup" have been done by military men essentially ) the second cathergory surely would side the governments , due to their direct interrest to side it ....and i wasn't talking about an open civil war scenario but rather than the "obscur" groups trying to silence any beginning of revolt before it begins and doing it silently ( hence the subtle techniques ) , as long as obscur groups silence people silently with techniques that risk not for them to be sued in any tribunal it's all good for them, cuz in an open civil war scenario things would ( i agree with you ) be radically different cuz perhaps of the army factor ......

[admin]

Sorry guys, no political discussion. It started innocently enough.

OP, just copy and paste your paper from wikipedia.