THE Major/nat. minor scale pattern!!!

[rockstah]

i do believe in classical music it is the strict rule or at least something to be aware of, that ascending with natural minor( aeolian) and descending with melodic minor.

Actually you ascend with melodic minor and descend with natural minor.

To make things even more confusing, in cases where you would dip a little below the root/tonic note and start ascending again (ex. 1 7 6 7 1 2 3 etc.) you don't use the natural minor descending rule unless you go down as far as the 5th.

Now this rule is in classical. In shred usually you would just hear the melodic minor form being used both ascending and descending.

For anyone who reads notation, there's a great scale supplement book by Aaron Shearer (supplement #3 I believe) that explores majors and melodic minors in all keys, and in all positions up thru 9th position......

thanks for the clarification - ya dont use it ya lose it.

[rockstah]

the riff is basically a E Augmented( #5) groove with a major 7 and a flat 7 as well and im treating it like its a E7 groove. the single notes are using major7 and #5 alot as well flat third so there is all kinds of out notes going by.
the big arppegio asending line is a e augmneted 7 chord( 1 3 #5 7)some may not get it and some may be like thats fucking wacky kewl!
give it a listen.. its not rock thats for sure.

I love it Mark!!!!

I've always been a fan of any rock that's just straight ahead rippin' and then dips into this type of thing before it's over with. Rip the audience's face off all the while taking them to the outer edges and back again....

I guess that's why I digeth on some prog rock as much as I do.....

Very kewl!!!!

glad ya liked it! like i said i can see if someone is not used to hearing those notes it just sounds stupid!
i dont spend much time with the "outside" stuff like that - im more of from below the belt kind of player - i want it to be agressive and easily accesable. but it is fun as musican to see how far you can take the listerner out without lossing them. = jazz

[NY Chief]

Fuck you guys know your shit......

[rockstah]

you can learn too. and ya should!

[ScottW]

this why i recommend first off , without any thought of what you are going to be doing with them or how they work in theory,learn the 7 major scale patterns and 5 pent scales. they should be known like the back of your hand. after that its alot easier to learn their application. so learn the 12 patterns!

Mark

Mark, great advice. I

[NY Chief]

you can learn too. and ya should!

I wannnnnnnnnaaaaa!!

[rockstah]

yer on the right track - the only advice i would give would be to do eveyrthing in c major. no sharps or flats in this key to deal with - you can know what a note is simply by going a b c d e f g but if g works for you go man go ! and yes its amazing once you learn all those scale patterns they never change as far as how each pattern that comes after or before. so it like one huge pattern. shifting the root notes and you have a whole new mode or flavor - rock on!

a hint with the pentatonic scale patterns pent meaning 5 - 5 notes
- its the major scale minus the 4th and the 7th. - so it you were doing everything in c you would remove all the F and b notes. or in your case in the key of G, all the C and F# notes

Mark

[ScottW]

yer on the right track - the only advice i would give would be to do eveyrthing in c major. no sharps or flats in this key to deal with - you can know what a note is simply by going a b c d e f g but if g works for you go man go ! and yes its amazing once you learn all those scale patterns they never change as far as how each pattern that comes after or before. so it like one huge pattern. shifting the root notes and you have a whole new mode or flavor - rock on!

a hint with the pentatonic scale patterns pent meaning 5 - 5 notes
- its the major scale minus the 4th and the 7th. - so it you were doing everything in c you would remove all the F and b notes. or in your case in the key of G, all the C and F# notes

Mark

That's a good idea, I'll focus on C for now. And yep it looks like the major pent has no 4 or 7. The minor pent has no 2 or 6. This stuff is way kewl! And, thanks for your help!

[rockstah]

yer on the right track - the only advice i would give would be to do eveyrthing in c major. no sharps or flats in this key to deal with - you can know what a note is simply by going a b c d e f g but if g works for you go man go ! and yes its amazing once you learn all those scale patterns they never change as far as how each pattern that comes after or before. so it like one huge pattern. shifting the root notes and you have a whole new mode or flavor - rock on!

a hint with the pentatonic scale patterns pent meaning 5 - 5 notes
- its the major scale minus the 4th and the 7th. - so it you were doing everything in c you would remove all the F and b notes. or in your case in the key of G, all the C and F# notes

Mark

That's a good idea, I'll focus on C for now. And yep it looks like the major pent has no 4 or 7. The minor pent has no 2 or 6. This stuff is way kewl! And, thanks for your help!

yes and dont even confuse yourself - just think about removing the 4 and 7 from a major scale. you will end up with the pant patterns. the major and minor pentatonics are the same physical notes. so you need not think about remving the 4 and the 7 form major and blah and the blah from minor. it will al make sense once you do have all these scales. for you or perhaps anyone else wanting to learn this:
like i said dont worry about the theory of it for now. you want a good handle on these tools(patterns) so once you do start thinking in terms of theory you will have will all the physical part you will need to draw from.

[rockstah]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus ... dID=503342 "happy too"
just a jam using Ionian and major pentatonic in the key of C!.

and using the les paul on this track!

Mark

[rgalpin]

i love how the F chord sounds against the real high "D - C" melody you keep hitting - really nice - that's the part that takes it somewhere "beyond" - that's where it speaks to me. that's the purpose of music - to say things that there are no word good enough to describe - i like it man - thx.

[rockstah]

thanks man! - now check out my resposne to you on page two already.

Mark

[Necrovore]

Music theory is easy, but always pisses me off. I know that there is something I am just not getting when I try to figure it out on my own.

Here is what I understand about the Major scales. Or rather the 7 modes of the Major scale.

The Major scale's intervals consist of these steps:

Ionian 1-2-34-5-6-71-2-34-5-6-7
Dorian 1-23-4-5-67-1-23-4-5-67
Phrygian 12-3-4-56-7-12-3-4-56-7
Lydian 1-2-3-45-6-71-2-3-45-6-7
Myxolidian 1-2-34-5-67-1-2-34-5-67
Aeolian 1-23-4-56-7-1-23-4-56-7
Locrian 12-3-45-6-7-12-3-45-6-7

Well these were supposed to line up, but if you put the pattern into a graph you see that for each mode starts on the subsequescent note to the preceeding mode. IE, Mode III(Phrygian) starts on the third tone of the Ionian or second tone of the Dorian.

Now the way I understand this is via intervals as mapping it out somewhat confuses me. I guess I still think in box patterns. My example is using the guitar starting on the first position the Ionian would map out like this.

2 4 5
2 4 5
2 3 5
2 3 5
1 3 5
1 3 5

W W H W W W H

Dorian Maps out either starting on the third fret and follow the interval pattern for Dorian, W H W W W H W, or would mapping it out on the fretboard in box form be incorrect?

IOW you can play each mode on the same fret starting point and only have to worry about the intervals of each mode.

[rockstah]

this why i recommend having a grasp of the 7 major scale patterns on the neck. (makes sense there are 7 of them, there are seven notes in a major scale. c d e f g a b c.)

each one also works as mode pattern that you can call on and analise as far as intervals ect. instead of trying to a bunch of theory in your head or by memory you have patterns you can rely on.

realize this the modes are just another way of saying play a major scale but start on the second note or play a major scale and start on the 4 th note.

C d e f g a b c or - Ionian
d e f g a b c d or - Dorian
f g a b c d e f or Lydian

this all the same scale and where we start or focus or resolve to is a mode of a c major scale

playing a c major scale , Ionian, from c to c is Ionian.
playing a c major scale but starting on the 3rd degree, e to e, is phrygian
or playing a c major scale but starting on the 6th note, a to a, is a aeolian.

u can play all the modes if all you know is one physical major scale pattern! this would involve you starting and stopping on certain notes in the physical pattern. which i do all the time. but to get a good handle on them realize, if you already know 7 physical c major scale patterns on the neck each one can be turned into a mode pattern by the first note of each physical pattern on the neck. and by turned into i mean how you view the particular pattern.

so in other words we have learned a c major scale that starts at the 8th fret - this pattern starts with c so it our Ionian mode pattern. With it we are playing c Ionian. A c major scale. if i wanted to play g Ionian I would play this same physical pattern at the 3rd fret right?
Another, the c major scale that start at the 10th fret. this physical scale pattern on the neck starts with d so it our Dorian pattern. its a c major scale but by asking which note it starts on, which is d, we make this our Dorian mod pattern. for f Dorian and we would play this physical pattern at the 1rst fret. Or for A Dorian we move this pattern to the 5th fret.

If any of this didn

[ScottW]

Here's the link to the diagram I'm using now.

http://www.dominocs.com/ToneWorks/download/modes.pdf

It shows pictures of all 7 major scale forms, on one page.