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Post by chrisom » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:53 am

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YOU BELIEVE THIS CRAP!!!????????
by dirtycooter » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:24 pm
Just on the news tonight Gibson's CEO was on Fox news sayin the federal gov came and confiscated a shitpile of wood stock cause someone simply checked the wrong box on some import form and the real kick in the balls

Feds are pissin and moaning about them not using enough foreign labor!!!!!!! What a bunch of complete DICKS!!!!!!!!!!

I know I slam on gibson for over pricing. But by God they pay American workers and feed American families.
This bag of dirty dicks in office are fricken clueless!!!!!

This is no crap either-it really happened! With the economy the way it is and people like this in gov we wonder why there is no damn jobs??????? Sorry for the rant but its ludicrous.

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Post by frenchie » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:48 am

fuck .... just when i start to make enough money and can reasonnably dream of paying me an R8 one day :evil:
now they're soon gonna cost 1000 bucks more on the second hand market ... shit gimme a break , i'm far from beeing millionnaire yet :| i still don't even have a headcab for my 45/100 :lol: , and my pc is on the verge of death ((( which gives me an occasion to sent message in a bottle for the computer corporate pigs ; you fake greenies can you please make your shitty computers more durable , so that you can avoid producing more of those turds and doing so releasing less of your mythic "unecofriendly C02" instead of focusing energy consumption and thinning traces on pcbs ? )))((( but nah anyway , they won't do it i know cuz this def not about nature or pollution , only a retarded could believe it )))) ...

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Post by T.L. » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:51 pm

Here's the latest developments on the subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E-tXQ6k ... ture=feedu

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Post by chrisom » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:56 am

Wow... that was a disturbing video interview. If you like Gibsons (I do) you should watch the video.

(Note to the moderators- This alternate thread was opened before the original was locked, in response to folks expressing it should be in "Off Topic" rather than "Van Halen" thread topic, which makes sense to me. We did not intend it as a vehicle to get around the locked thread or the moderators wishes by posting to it. So no hard feelings I hope, and feel free to lock this one too in the event somebody feels this should not be discussed at all here at this forum. Thanks- co)

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Post by NY Chief » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:23 pm

Oh, boy...this could turn into a political thread pretty quickly but now the adminstration is fucking with something close to our hearts (and pertinent to this forum). Here is an interesting take...

BTW, we should re-name this thread "Gibson gets screwed" or something so we can keep track of it.

posted on Americanthinker.com

Already we have watched the Obama regime drop a criminal conviction of Black
Panthers violating the voting rights act, rescue and repair vessels being
detained by the Coast Guard en-route to the Gulf oil spill and the Obama
appointed NLRB preventing Boeing from opening its new production facility in
South Carolina. Last Wednesday, DOJ enforcers, under command of capo Eric
Holder, raider the Gibson Guitar company facilities in Nashville and Memphis.

According to my source inside Gibson, 20 armed agents raided the factory and
seized pallets of wood, guitars and company computers (no word yet on the
embargoed wood content of the computers). Gibson Chairman Henry Juszkiewicz was
livid at this latest bullying of Gibson by the US Justice Department. In 2009,
they had staged a similar raid and, while no charges have been filed, the DOJ
refuses to return the confiscated property.

Juszkiewicz points out that the wood comes from one source in Africa and one in
India. The wood is purchased from the same suppliers as other US guitar
manufacturers, Fender, Taylor and C.F. Martin. This is the second raid on Gibson
while all other manufacturers have been left alone to do exactly what Gibson is
doing with no interference from the Federal government.

There has been speculation that these actions could be political payback because
Henry Juszkiewicz is a Republican donor while Chris Martin gives to Democrats.
Some company history here might shed more light on the subject.

The Gibson Company was started by Orville Gibson in 1894 at his workshop in
Kalamazoo, Michigan. As the popularity of Orville's instruments grew, his
company grew with it. Gibson eventually became the most respected name in
Mandolins, banjos and guitars in the world. In 1963, Gibson was having
difficulty remaining solvent and parent company CMI president H. H. Berlin hired
Stan Rendell as V.P. for manufacturing to straighten out the problem. In the
book, 100 years of Gibson, Rendell says explaining the problem the company
faced:

"The problem was the steelworkers union!" he details (the company had been
unionized during World War II, when the plant was making metal-intensive war
products). "They were dictating everything."

Rendell's solution was simple: Move all string manufacturing from Kalamazoo
across Lake Michigan to Elgin, Illinois. This reduced the crossover from job to
job and increased efficiency both in guitar production and string making. It
also sent a message to the union that Rendell was not going to mess around.
(Mulhern, 1994)

Rendell soon returned the company to profitability but labor and quality
problems persisted. Finally, the decision was made to open a new production
facility in Tennessee, a right-to-work state. Hear this Boeing! Manufacturing in
a new location with a new labor force was not easy but eventually the old
Kalamazoo plant was phased- out with products coming out of plants in Nashville,
Memphis and Bozeman, Montana.

Gibson has not only regained its former reputation for the finest quality
electric guitars, but also enhanced that reputation. Gibson (like Chrysler and
General Motors), was nearly destroyed by a parasitic labor union. The company
survived by shedding the shackles of organized labor and starting out anew. This
is not an American success story that unions, democrats or President Obama would
like to share. Consider also that C.F. Martin's whose headquarters are in
Pennsylvania while Fender and Taylor hail from California- not exactly
right-to-work states. One more thought to consider is that Martin, Taylor and
Fender also have a vast manufacturing presence in Mexico while all Gibson's are
100% US made.

You can take you pick of reasons Obama's DOJ is using their Gestapo tactics on
Gibson, but one thing is certain; this sounds like Nazi Germany, not Nashville,
Tennessee.

Felten, E. (2011, 08 27). Guitar Frets:Environmental Enforcement Leaves
Musicians in Fear. Wall Street Periodical .

Mulhern, T. (1994). Gibson: 100 Years of an American Icon. In Gibson. Gibson
Publishing.

Parsons, C. (2011, 08 26). Mai lOnline . Retrieved 08 26, 2011, from
http://www.dailymail.com.uk/news/articl ... ary-Gibson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



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Post by Xplorer » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:16 pm

i didn't understand yet why Obama is linked to Gibson ...
why this raid in the gibson factory ??
is it about some illegal wood ? coming from some illegal cut ? i could understand that, and defend any action against the illegal wood cut. but i don't think that Gibson may have bought wood in such conditions, or thinking it was a legal stock ..

Anyway, there's much more urgent in the world, than doing a damn raid at gibson. And what can you expect of the politics when the power isn't in their hands since long now : they can't do much. money and some companys rule the world in bad directions, for their profit. The more we want to be on earth, the more it'll be easy for the worst tendancys.

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Post by fillmore nyc » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:20 pm

frenchie wrote:ps ; this forum desperately needs a tumbling weeds emoticon :lol:
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As I realized how right you are, sir...

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Post by Xplorer » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:34 pm

ok : the wood in question violates an Indian law that requires the wood to be finished by Indian workers.

WWWWWWhaaaaat ???????????????????????

what is the purpose of this law ?? to give some work to the country of origin ? can't we just buy wood ? never heard such story before.

one good positive revolution, as it's off topic and in the politic kind of subject, would be endly : Water, free, common good of the humanity ( and other species ) , as it's not the case right now .....
for example, having citys like las vegas and dubaï really doesn't help ..

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Post by OnTheFritz » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:33 pm

Xplorer wrote:i didn't understand yet why Obama is linked to Gibson ...
why this raid in the gibson factory ??
is it about some illegal wood ? coming from some illegal cut ? i could understand that, and defend any action against the illegal wood cut. but i don't think that Gibson may have bought wood in such conditions, or thinking it was a legal stock ..
Agreed, that political rhetoric seemed more like a Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh paranoid spewing collective commentary, as opposed to this silly thing called reality.
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Post by somethin'else » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:03 am

I will risk to say that "O" isn't our first, or last "janitor" president. He was vasectomized as soon as he "won". He just looked good and sounded good standing in front of the door. All operations are in the hands of those who've bought a seat at the table.
Xplorer wrote:Anyway, there's much more urgent in the world, than doing a damn raid at gibson....
Like getting our kids off of Grand Theft Auto. Which will never happen. Have you seen the studies linked to children who play that game? They put gamer kids in a room with non-gamer kids (abnormal kids I suspect) and had people outside the room plea for help. The gamer kids withdrew and didn't respond. The non-gamer kids noticed the cries of help and moved to action.
And all of the new children's toys that urge them towards financial greatness by taking on mass amounts of debt. Play cash registers that come with 'credit' cards, when scanned say 'paid in full'... soylent green is people, a crazy man once said.

Too bad it's on us guitarists' conscience, this Gibson raid. They'll get no protest from any other quarter, 'cause common folk could care less (Grand Theft Auto), and we're lazy guitar players, despite our intelligence, right! So what can we do? Hmm. I'm keeping my R8. My son will get it. If they don't blow the door down one day and take it.

Silly, wasteful games. Gibson never recouped the wood from the LAST raid. Unfortunately, the more you dig, the more you find all reasoning for this raid falling into politcal motivations. Someone using their power to execute a grudge. I think that makes it really difficult to explore the creative ways to talk about, and to circumvent the political aspect of it. Beyond anger, is there a way to address it without considering the consequences of A) a locked thread, B) more of this type of action to come from our 'establishment', and how we 'handle the next one' and C) not letting it ruin a tasty buzz and some good jams (ie, letting it break our spirit)?
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Post by frenchie » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:59 am

something else : or D) really obvious metaphores ? :lol: .... ya know goofies and droopies , who live in their wonderfull wonderland , they slap butts to get the candy of the other but it always end up well behind a bowl of hot milk when the cartoon ends .... this kind of stuff :lol: :D :scratch: :mrgreen:

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Post by somethin'else » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:08 am

Nice frenchie :lol: Exactly. Must haves to tippy-toe :whistle:
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Post by fillmore nyc » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:27 am

somethin'else wrote:Beyond anger, is there a way to address it without considering the consequences of A) a locked thread...
I got my seat... I suspect the doors gonna slam any minute now.
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Post by spaceace76 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:34 pm

somethin'else wrote:Like getting our kids off of Grand Theft Auto. Which will never happen. Have you seen the studies linked to children who play that game? They put gamer kids in a room with non-gamer kids (abnormal kids I suspect) and had people outside the room plea for help. The gamer kids withdrew and didn't respond. The non-gamer kids noticed the cries of help and moved to action.
could you cite/link me to this study? i've played GTA for years and have yet to not jump to action when a friend was in need. honestly, if you actually played the game, you'd realize how it isn't much different from watching a violent movie, which has no real basis on a person's demeanor, despite the BS studies that have gone around for years saying otherwise. perhaps the gamer kids just knew it was a study and didn't care about the results because they were being TOLD to play video games, and likely being paid for their participation.

not to mention GTA is pretty tame compared to most other games. Saint's Row is a knock off of sorts and has tons more gameplay options, is much more violent, and less linear. GTA has a plot that you have to sort-of stick to, so right away there is more motivation in SR for the player to explore and blow stuff up. There are also tons of FPS games that are way more gory, violent and daunting to play.

The honest truth about games affecting kids is that yes, they do expose them to things they might not have seen otherwise, but these games are made by people, for other people to enjoy. There are very few people who cannot separate video games from reality, most kids can and do. If they couldn't, we'd see a lot more 12 year old kids with M16's and stolen Ferrari's driving around.

I'm currently playing Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It's filled with the politics of the world within the game. There is a large debate about people getting "augmented" (basically, having damaged or undamaged parts of their body replaced with mechanical versions that perform beyond human capabilities) but you don't see me running out to find a doctor who can do this and subsequently picking up a shotgun to kill a bunch of anti-aug militants. I'm also a big Zelda fan, but I'm not running out to save Zelda or raid temples or assemble the Triforce, etc. I'll be even more honest and tell you that the worst thing video games has ever done to me is...

...make me want to play more video games

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