Jimi Hendrix' Gear and Mods at West Coast Organ and Amp

[Tone seaker]

Ok, we need to clear one thing up....This picture is NOT of any of the supposed Hendrix amps.



As for the carbon composition resistors...The resistors are from a company called Morganite (an acquisition of Allen-Bradley UK which BTW was a subsidiary of Allen-Bradley USA) and not from IRC.

The amps shown in the Isle Of Wight are USA model Marshall's which have added voltage selectors. Are they the same amps used during Woodstock?....Probably.

And why do you say that. Look at the link. We need to be clear this is a Hendrix amp. I personaly took the pics off ebay and some one else did too and sent them to Amp Archives.
http://amparchives.com/album/Marshall/1 ... index.html

And Frenchie there is not a damn thing wrong with giving different opinions and providing evidence to be cleared up like I did. Drop it lets don't start a back and forth flame war and ruin this thread

[Tazin]

And why do you say that. Look at the link. We need to be clear this is a Hendrix amp. I personaly took the pics off ebay and some one else did too and sent them to Amp Archives.

I say this because I was the original person who posted the picture. It's a somewhat long story that I really don't feel like telling again.

[Tone seaker]

And why do you say that. Look at the link. We need to be clear this is a Hendrix amp. I personaly took the pics off ebay and some one else did too and sent them to Amp Archives.

I say this because I was the original person who posted the picture. It's a somewhat long story that I really don't feel like telling again.

If so then why was it on a ebay add with a Hendrix amp. Please tell it and if it is true then tell amp archives so they can pull it

[matriarch]

To Kind of Loud,
I don't know where you get off calling me names since I have had nothing but supportive things to say about Dave being here and sharing his experiences which are all totally valid and make total sense from an electronics stand point. Yes Carl made some derogatory comments towards him but we all know where to lump that anyway and is of no consequence to those who are interested in getting some honest info. I would hope that this thread can steer clear of juvenile BS like we find elsewhere since Velvet G is a dear friend and I know he won't allow any shills to drag it into the gutter so let's all be respectful and try to listen and maybe learn to share instead of bully!
PS Xplorer, great tone on the Who Knows track!

I didn't make derogatory comments. I simply don't believe a lot of this info. Jimi's live tones are w/ the fuzz knob OFF? File marks nobody else ever noticed?
In the original article it's about West Coast Music tuning up some new amps for a Spring '69 tour. Never mentioned fuzz/ wah mods, etc. Now the guy is claiming a fuzz Jimi used in Stockholm, Jan, 69 "might" be one of his mods? How about the Univibes? He responsible for modding those too?
I can't prove anything nor do I care to. I bet Roger Mayer would dispute a lot of this though. Carry on

My clip. Fuzz up Full-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J_FD0dY3xY

[shakti]

It does look very clearly like there is a white sticker on the rear left of the amp.





george

Excellent! This is most interesting. This more or lessproves that the same amps were used in the US and Europe at this time (70). It doesn't tell us what happened to the batch of amps used on the early 69 Euro tour, but it makes it more likely that they were rbought to the US where Jimi made his base (AFAIK) from the start of the US tour in April 69. I don't have any Hendrix books, but IIRC he only makes short trips to Europe after that, and none for touring or recording his own stuff AFAIK. Not until late summer 70 for IOW and a short European tour.

I believe Tazin when he says the photo of that very clean early 69 amp is *not* of a purported Hendrix amp. Tazin is very particular about these details and really knows this kind of stuff. Tone Seaker - I don't doubt the photos were on an Ebay ad, but that to me proves exactly nothing. Now the blurry photo of the alleged Governor may be an actual Hendrix amp. Too blurry to tell, but it looks like the bias circuit has been monkeyed with a little bit, and that would go along with the story of 6550s.

So in other words, we only have that one public, blurry photo of an alleged Hendrix amp from this timeframe. I really wish Tazin were able to share the photos he has seen of other alleged Hendrix amps, at least one of which apparently sports a West Coast sticker (per the small detail/closeup that Tazin posted). That would be incredibly interesting to see!

[matriarch]

You can hear, when his fuzz was off, the sound was clean dirty, but not overly distorted. Hitting that sound with a Fuzz Face, volume full, fuzz down, would NOT create the sound he's getting here at 1:32, when he kicks the fuzz on.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2268q ... 8-69_music

[Xplorer]

You can hear, when his fuzz was off, the sound was clean dirty, but not overly distorted. Hitting that sound with a Fuzz Face, volume full, fuzz down, would NOT create the sound he's getting here at 1:32, when he kicks the fuzz on.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2268q ... 8-69_music

OK !

[demonufo]

To you ears maybe so but there is no proof at all in fact there is at least four amps that disprove it with EL34's in them. Yes it might easy to switch tubes but why would any one switch out Hendrix's tubes especially on 4 amps owned by different people.

Why?

Other than Marshalls were supposed to have EL34's, you mean...
How many 70's 6550 circuits have you seen fitted with EL34's and no other circuit changes, as an example. Because I've seen hundreds. There is no proof at all, unless somebody has verified dated photographic evidence from when they were still in Hendrix's ownership. Your fact, is not really a fact at all. I'm not saying that you cannot be right, because that would be somewhat foolish, but it's not as clear cut as you make out either.


Another thing to consider, if I bought an amp in the 70's or 80's that was reputed to be a Hendrix amp, and saw 6550's in it I would probably consider it a mistake and change them out. It's not as if it was common knowledge that Hendrix used them (especially back then) and you do see some stupid things in amps quite often. Unless I had first hand proof that the amp was exactly as it was (these things do get used remember) I would assume they were a replacement. Also, as for keeping them with 6550's, well, GE's aren't exactly the commonest thing on the planet nowadays...

[Tazin]

Back in 1997 or 1998 Christopher M-e-r-r-e-n said; "Be careful what you post on the Internet since it has a way of coming back to haunt you." This is one of those cases.

Ok, the basic story goes like this....A friend of mine knew the owner of the supposed Hendrix amp (SL/12361) and wanted to acquire an amp which contained the same original circuit (component wise), and roughy with the same mfg date as his friends Hendrix amp. Note: original circuit means prior to any modifications. I worked with him for roughly two months until we finally found an amp which was close enough to the Hendrix amp for him to be satisfied with. This is a picture of the amp he bought.



Prior to and shortly after the auction of the supposed Hendrix amp (SL/12361) the above picture was used; by me; to illustrate what the original circuit would have been like from the factory without any modifications in a couple of threads on a couple of bbs. Those discussions also included another supposed Hendrix amp which also would have had the same original circuit as the picture I posted. Basically, these two supposed Hendrix amp where built at the same work station at the Marshall factory and therefore contain the same type of components. Kinda understand what I'm saying.
Anyhow, when his friend sold the supposed Hendrix amp he intentionally included one of the pictures in the auction to solely show what the circuit would have been originally like from the factory without any modifications. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe he took some flack for posting the picture so he removed it from the auction listing.

[daveweyer]

Matriarch,
Glad you're back! Nice offering in the clip at 1:32 too. Makes a good point.
But if Jimi was using one of our mods, or one of Roger Mayer's then it's a different equation.
And I would bet that if you asked Roger whether Jimi wanted more fuzz, or just more sustain, he would tell you the latter. The sound is different than a stock FF.

And I'm glad to be informed that the underside chassis shown in the attachments was not the underside of the alleged Jimi amp. It now becomes irrelevant to the topic. And is the cathode resistor a 1K by the way?

Dissenting opinions make a much livelier forum, with a lot more clues and deductive reasoning offered.

There are facts, and then there are values. The Tele neck and the notches are facts, the perception that they couldn't be there because you never heard of them before is a value judgement.
The man who cut the notches is a very well known guitar builder, designed the Rich guitars, and has been building super neck-through models for 40 years, and is still in great demand. He is straightforward and honorable, and has been a completely trustworthy individual ever since I worked with him, and that is now 45 years.
Those are more facts, and his life's record proves them to be facts. Discounting him as a liar because you weren't aware of him or the events that took place is a value judgment.

Just wanted to be sure we are not pitting value judgements against facts. Feel free to characterize Neal Moser in any way you wish, but please remember that seeing him as good or bad or mistaken or a liar or a fool does not in any way change the facts.

And thanks again for hanging in there.

[Tone seaker]

Anyhow, when his friend sold the supposed Hendrix amp he intentionally included one of the pictures in the auction to solely show what the circuit would have been originally like from the factory without any modifications. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe he took some flack for posting the picture so he removed it from the auction listing.

If he owned the Hendrix amp and sold it why would he use a pic from a diff amp instead of opening up the amp and taking a pic. Makes no sense

[Tazin]

Anyhow, when his friend sold the supposed Hendrix amp he intentionally included one of the pictures in the auction to solely show what the circuit would have been originally like from the factory without any modifications. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe he took some flack for posting the picture so he removed it from the auction listing.

If he owned the Hendrix amp and sold it why would he use a pic from a diff amp instead of opening up the amp and taking a pic. Makes no sense

Remember, the owner of the supposed Hendrix amp was a friend of my friend so he was keen on the discussions about the Hendrix amps that I referred to earlier and the fact that his friend was trying to purchase an amp similar to his Hendrix amp.
Why didn't the seller open up the amp and take a nice clear picture you ask?....Because the supposed Hendrix amp has modifications done to it and he did not want to disclose them; via a picture; so everyone in the world could copy the modifications.

[shakti]

Tazin,

does this mean that you have seen the insides of the real 12361? I understand you are probably obliged to not disclose too much about it, but when you say "modifications", could you at least point to the areas that were modified?

[Tone seaker]

Why would the modifications be kept secret?

[Tazin]

Tazin,

does this mean that you have seen the insides of the real 12361? I understand you are probably obliged to not disclose too much about it, but when you say "modifications", could you at least point to the areas that were modified?

Yes, I have nice pictures (for that time frame) of the inside of the amp. I'm sorry, but I can't add anything more about the modifications to this amp than I've already mentioned.

Why would the modifications be kept secret?

The seller wanted to keep them secret for some reason....Probably thought he could get a little bit more money that way.