Slaving a Plexi Project

[rockstah]

i dont get it did u remove it or not?

just get a 500k pot or a 1meg pot - i woudlnt be messing with the pot that in that part of the circuit.

[rockstah]

not that i have heard yet. when u go through the front end of a stock plexi you lose all that headroom that u hear it eds sound. thats what we have been doing by adding a 330u cap to a stock plexi - trying to create that headroom - when you run in the front of another amp it doesn't have that quality that eds sound has - show me clip - lets talk about it.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5609241" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

i used a stomp box Boss EQ in between the 2 amps. plexi ->EQ-> JTM.

does running the signal through a stomp box EQ have the same effect as far as impedance matching goes?
does the stomp box act as a converter of sorts?

i wondered the same thing but all this talk of a transformer makes me think it doesn't work that way.

[rockstah]

Rob,
it doesn't sound bad... sounds killer and nice playing. ...but i don't hear vh as much i hear it using a clean power amp. ( just to say something is not there that i hear in my setup ) .... as of right now - things can change.

so if i wanted to try your setup i would basically use a superbass as the amp im slaving to?

Mark

[kiddangerous]

so I do disagree about the slaving idea, but to close out (it seems everyone here is sold on it) I thought I should at least provide some proof. you can only say so much before you need to back it up.

here is the best I could do for VHII. Note that I lack the compression from a loud closed-back cabinet because I recorded at low volumes with a single open-back vintage30.

as always, I run an eq before the amp.

http://www.soundclick.com/kiddangerous" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (dtna)

[rockstah]

so I do disagree about the slaving idea, but to close out (it seems everyone here is sold on it) I thought I should at least provide some proof. you can only say so much before you need to back it up.

here is the best I could do for VHII. Note that I lack the compression from a loud closed-back cabinet because I recorded at low volumes with a single open-back vintage30.

as always, I run an eq before the amp.

http://www.soundclick.com/kiddangerous" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (dtna)

what do u disagree about?

[908ssp]

so I do disagree about the slaving idea, but to close out (it seems everyone here is sold on it) I thought I should at least provide some proof. you can only say so much before you need to back it up.

here is the best I could do for VHII. Note that I lack the compression from a loud closed-back cabinet because I recorded at low volumes with a single open-back vintage30.

as always, I run an eq before the amp.

http://www.soundclick.com/kiddangerous" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (dtna)

Sorry but you're not even close.


Now if the question is can someone get close without re-amping I'd say yes ask Rockstah he has some terrific clips with no re-amping. The question is did Eddie use re-amping to get some extra dimension? The consensus is building I think that he did. He did it to put the effects after the distortion and to add an EQ after the distortion. This has by the way been reported years and years ago. We're just hashing it out and experimenting to come full circle.

I wrote months ago that the reason I believe Ed runs an inverted smile on his EQ before the first amp was to keep the high end and low end from over loading the amp to keep those frequencies tight. He get the distortion by pushing the middle. Then after that amp he needs to bring the high & low ends back up so he adds a second EQ after his load box before the second amp. But that one has a smile these assumptions on my part have some evidence in the pictures of Eds EQs.

[rockstah]

so I do disagree about the slaving idea, but to close out (it seems everyone here is sold on it) I thought I should at least provide some proof. you can only say so much before you need to back it up.

here is the best I could do for VHII. Note that I lack the compression from a loud closed-back cabinet because I recorded at low volumes with a single open-back vintage30.

as always, I run an eq before the amp.

http://www.soundclick.com/kiddangerous" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (dtna)

Sorry but you're not even close.


Now if the question is can someone get close without re-amping I'd say yes ask Rockstah he has some terrific clips with no re-amping. The question is did Eddie use re-amping to get some extra dimension? The consensus is building I think that he did. He did it to put the effects after the distortion and to add an EQ after the distortion. This is by the way been reported years and years ago. We're just hashing it out and experimenting to come full circle.

+1

[psychodave]

ISO box;

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/p ... U00178.flv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mark.. here is a link to the thread about the volume pot. Any help is appreciated. I also need to send you some pictures of that other thing...

http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php ... 76#p210176" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[rockstah]

very kewl - so do i see a tiny transformer right there?

[rgalpin]

Rob,
it doesn't sound bad... sounds killer and nice playing. ...but i don't hear vh as much i hear it using a clean power amp. ( just to say something is not there that i hear in my setup ) .... as of right now - things can change.

so if i wanted to try your setup i would basically use a superbass as the amp im slaving to?

Mark

cool. yes and use a stomp box EQ in between to knock down the highs until it comes into range.

in your setup used in the clip - did you run the power amp directly into the cab? or did you attenuate it? where was the volume set on the second amp? i'm curious as to how hard amp 2 was working. in my setup, amp 2 is just coasting at around 1.5 so it's not adding a lot of gain just some tube warmth - vs a non-tube power amp.

[psychodave]

[quote="rockstah"]very kewl - so do i see a tiny transformer right there?[/quote]

I am not sure what it is... and I cant upload any good pictures since my wife has the good camera... let me see if I can take a few pics with my daughters camera...

[jerrydyer]

kidddangerouse

too crunchy..almost there though. There is a blend that occurs a little v1 a little PI and some power clip.

[psychodave]

some crappy pics...

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/p ... box003.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/p ... box002.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/p ... box001.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[rockstah]

Rob,
it doesn't sound bad... sounds killer and nice playing. ...but i don't hear vh as much i hear it using a clean power amp. ( just to say something is not there that i hear in my setup ) .... as of right now - things can change.

so if i wanted to try your setup i would basically use a superbass as the amp im slaving to?

Mark

cool. yes and use a stomp box EQ in between to knock down the highs until it comes into range.

in your setup used in the clip - did you run the power amp directly into the cab? or did you attenuate it? where was the volume set on the second amp? i'm curious as to how hard amp 2 was working. in my setup, amp 2 is just coasting at around 1.5 so it's not adding a lot of gain just some tube warmth - vs a non-tube power amp.

amp 2 is hardly working. on 1 or so - getting no gain from the second amp - and thats the idea i think anyway. no attenuator on the second amp. plugged right into the cab.

[kiddangerous]

Just to explain (thanks for responding):

If the question is, "did Eddie use re-amping to get some extra dimension?" Then I would be arguing that no, there was no use of a second amplifier to gain extra dimension specifically in the studio.

I posted a clip to get constructive comments along the lines of "too crunchy" as opposed to "you're not even close."

But it is true, "the consensus is building [everyone] thinks that he did." So it is getting harder to play devil's advocate. I should probably start a different thread but my last attempt at VHI did not get too specific (at least to the level that you are getting here).

It's cool, though, it is nice to get a few lines in here and there.