blue box mxr 6 band eq vs. newer mxr 6 band

[wjamflan]

Let's flip this forest and trees metaphor and see if it helps.

Check out the picture below. It is a picture that exists. No one can dispute that Ed is playing a non maple board there. Would we be able to extrapolate from that snapshot in time that Ed always used a non maple board in that era? No. In fact he switched back and forth and tried different things.

By extension, just b/c the DOTG pics look a certain way, that doesn't mean that is the way he did it on VH I, or the Club Days shows, or the rest of the '78 tour etc. If you could combine the pics with audio and video evidence from the actual gig, your arguments would be alot stronger. The problem is there isn't any, and audio and visual evidence from other gigs do not support your findings, so it's not my way, or GG's way. It's what we've seen, heard, read and experienced that Ed did.

I'll speak for myself and say that it has been frustrating trying to get you to step back from your extreme focus on what amount to snapshots in time to see the big picture. And that big picture is that from the Club Days through the '79 tour, Ed lugged around as many eqs as he did echo devices. Whether you want to believe it or not, it has been shown that Ed's tone was shaped using more than a plexi and a high output pickup.

So... who is it that's really missing the forest for the trees???

[leadguy]

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

I am discussing some of Ed's photos which show Mighty Mites and a unused EQ.

Audio evidence?

What is that.

We are back to personal interpretations of Ed's tone again which are not reliable because there would be no need for the EVH forum except as a fanboy site if everyone could agree on exactly what Ed used on any given recording.
Nitro and his pedal, other and slaving etc etc

I'm not going anywhere near this in a definite way.

I am talking about a certain set of photos and what Ed is using in them, nothing more nothing less.

I don't need to force Ed into my tight little agenda by always having him use a certain piece of gear that makes Ed's tone magic.

Ed is using what he's using in the photos I'm talking about and it doesn't conflict with any gear theory I cling to as far as I'm concerned because I'm not clinging to any gear.

If Ed used a Fender amp in a photo then I would say Ed is using a Fender amp and I couldn't care less that he's not using a Marshall.

The trouble for Ed always using the EQ theorists is that there is a big fat DOTG photo showing him not always using the EQ.

It doesn't bother me if he always used the EQ, I couldn't care less but it seems to bother some people that Ed is not using the EQ in this DOTG photo, I couldn't care less.

I'm not in the running to be the next Ed clone and I'm not a fanboy either, so I don't care, I'm just saying what is obvious in the DOTG photo, big deal, if someone has a problem with that, well I don't know what to say.

[Good Guest]

The problem is Ed DIDN'T always use the 6 band , he had a Boss 10 band too...it depended on his pickups etc...the problem now is people who have hot pickups etc thinking Eddy used it...using a 6 band and saying ."He didn't use this as my rig sounds like shit with it"...That's the problem they have been duped into thinking hot is best...Actually Eddy made a statement about this years ago saying guitarists think they get this they get that hot pickup etc and go wang and think they have tone when they don't. I'm sure we all heard the quote .. the same with the offshelf stuff.

I believe the pic evidence and my ears ..and I sure the hell don't believe anyone that draws cables out of thin air to make there point or back up their theory's...stuff like that is totally misleading, but yeah I think most peole can see thru that stuff. So to the question new or old ..get a new one and tweak away..and don't use it with mighty super ultra distortion tone mangling pickups.

[wjamflan]

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

I know you don't, because you never read, listened to or watched what I posted before in response to your assertions. You just resorted to calling me whatever name you could think of at the moment and reposting the same pics with a longer narrative. You win. I give up...

[vanhalen5150]

I think he used the eq's with paf's. With high output PU's I don't.

[rgorke]

Ok, We have two pictures from DOTG

http://wwwc.dcns.ne.jp/~epi/pedalboard23jul1978.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This one shows a possibility of Ed using the MXR EQ with the black and white Franky. It is hard to see because we can't see how the cables are hooked up by the EQ but it IS possible. The pics of the b and w Franky we have seen appears to have a PAF in it. So, a plausible theory is PAF + MXR.

http://wwwc.dcns.ne.jp/~epi/english.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

there is another photo from the DOTG show with the Shark (I have it saved but can't get it to upload, the one with Ed stepping on the Phase 90 and the plastic bag obscuring a portion of the pedal board) showing the GE -10 plugged in. Next theory, higher output Super 70 + GE 10. We could even extrapolate to ANY higher output including DSD + GE 10.

Our ears and experience tells us that the MXR sounds bad and not EVH with a high output pickup.

Is this how he did it for VH1? Dunno, maybe. Is this how he did it for Nightmare boot? Dunno, maybe.

I started this thread a few years back and continue to think it has relevance.

http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=18103" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, I think Leadguy went through something like this but obvisously not as cogent and succent as my prose.

ps, leadguy, that was a joke.

[Rich_D]

In regards to the OP, won't both do the trick if they're set right? I mean, it is an eq after all. There's a guy who gets a pretty accurate sound at http://www.vhoholic.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; using a 5150 combo and a DOD eq. The 5150 combo is a high gain 60w but he dials the gain back using the controls on the front of the amp (gasp!) and still uses the DOD eq with the level at full.

[leadguy]

I'm not trying to be awkward but that photo http://wwwc.dcns.ne.jp/~epi/pedalboard23jul1978.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; shows Ed not having the pedalboard EQ input plugged into at all. In this case the pedalboard EQ is a Boss EQ and he was using a MXR EQ as the pedalboard EQ just before this in Japan.

http://wwwc.dcns.ne.jp/~epi/pedalboard23jul1978.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and here is the pedalboard enlarged from this photo http://wwwc.dcns.ne.jp/~epi/pedalboard23jul1978.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and anyone can see that the pedalboard Boss EQ input is not even plugged into and Ed is playing the Franky.
No input into the pedalboard Boss EQ means that there is zero possibility of the pedalboard EQ being in the chain so in this photo Ed is using the Franky with a very high positioned PAF and no pedalboard EQ.



This is the Boss EQ's inputs/outputs for reference



I am not making it up, anyone can see it.

After all the stuff that's gone down, I would prefer that Ed was using the pedalboard EQ so there wouldn't be anything to disagree about with the PAF/EQ dudes. I can't make Ed use a pedalboard EQ if he's not using a pedalboard EQ.

[Santi]

Didn't Ed have to BOSS EQ and 2 Echoplex? There could be another one that is connected....

[leadguy]

Yes, there could be some Boss EQ's in front of the Echoplexes, like Ed had in Japan but they would mostly be to compensate for cable signal loss.

If someone has long cables, then they interfere with the signal.

Ed went wireless pretty soon after and that interfered with his tone in other ways.

[Santi]

where does this photo come from? I can see the MXR EQ connected as well as the BOSS EQ. I posted it before.
I believe that the 2 separate set ups could have 2 different EQs.

[Good Guest]

It's too bad there isn't another pic of that pedal board because if you look you'll see there is room for a mxr 6 band beside the jumbo tone bender case...look at the size of the flanger in relation to the height of the pedalboard and throw a jumbo tonebender case on top and you have more than enough room for a mxr 6 band to be hidden ...The guitar cord goes in that direction and it comes out of that direction also ,then it appears to go to a phase 90......funny all his standard effects appear except the mxr.

Just like the flanger ..if it was sitting around not connected I would by the no eq theory on the pedalboard ...as it is with this picture it's hard to say for sure...then there is what santi described ..there could be an mxr hooked up between amps.

Eq's are handy little contraptions..for guitar they shape the tone of a pickup..they can buffer a signal....make up for high end loss due to long cables.....they can be placed in effect loops for nice lead solos..they can be used in line out and slaving situations for inter amp buffering and tone shaping. No wonder Ed had so many.

[nitro]

Rich-D vholoic didnt use a dod eq on the 5150 combo tracks,only for the marshall track section.(I dont think he did)

[leadguy]

The pedalboard EQ is probably being used for Eruption because of the Univox being in the chain with a low input impedance.

If someone thinks about it, Ed would not really need a boost from the pedalboard EQ when he's already got EQ's further down the chain but he would need the pedalboard EQ to interface into a low impedance piece of gear like the Univox.

Dave Friedman, Rudy and Ed have already described what is happening.

The MXR EQ taped to the amp is probably because that amp just needs a bit of a different EQ maybe because of it's circuit or whatever.

The Boss near the Echoplex is probably for cable signal loss.

Ed's said all this in a Guitar World interview and Rudy said it separately to Dave.

Dave Friedman.

Now Rudy said the eq pedal was used only for certain guitars or sometimes when he used rental gear that sounded bad. Also the univox echo was patched in by hand for eruption only and then was taken out of the chain after.

Very simple. Rudy leiren told me personally. Flange phase echoplex into a marshall with variac to 90 into only one cab. The univox echo or whatever was only patched into the chain for eruption he also used a eq for eruption. Eq was also occasionally used for tone shaping with amps that did not sound as good. This was the core setup. As more vol was needed more amps were added and more cabs but sill only one per amp. There really is nothing more to it. Lots of sustain and feedback from the sheer vol of it all.

[Strat78]

Exactly leadguy! The eq's were used to counteract the stiffness of those 69 circuits heads to make them sound more like his 12 series head. This is my experience as well cutting back the booming lows and glassy highs. Have both the square logo blue box and the GE-10 on hand. The new mxr's sound kind of saccharine but they are fine for this purpose.