New clip...

gnugear · Post by **gnugear** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:37 am

Brentsp wrote:Holy crap people, can everyone play like Eddie around here except me? I wasn't expecting dead on playing.......great playing!

Tell me about it LOL! I feel like I'm out of the club because I can't play spot on.

Awsome playing Josse! Love the tone. At this point I'm perfectly satisfied with all the tone I hear. They're more than good enough for me.

Josse · Post by **Josse** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:48 pm

Hello!

I'm here for a very short break, posting from another computer since my own one is (still

) not activated for DSL connectivity... f**k!!

So, once again, tank you, I'm very, very happy about all you comments (playingwise) and promise to go on refine the tone!

Right here I wanna give kudos to ralle, pushing us all and inspiring me to proceed...!! Kudos, kudos!!

I'll hurry now to join the band rehearsal, maybe clarifying little, unnoticed details in this circuit later!

Jost

guitarforhire · Post by **guitarforhire** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:22 pm

Sounds great!

Star*Guitar · Post by **Star*Guitar** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:33 pm

Man you are one crankin dude. That totally kicks...sure you may need to tweak the amp a bit. But your playing makes me listen to that instead. It's hard to listen to just the amp when your setting the fret board on fire....

You could make a Pignose sound like a Marshall my friend. Great clip!

chad · Post by **chad** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:42 pm

Star*Guitar wrote:Man you are one crankin dude. That totally kicks...sure you may need to tweak the amp a bit. But your playing makes me listen to that instead. It's hard to listen to just the amp when your setting the fret board on fire....

You could make a Pignose sound like a Marshall my friend. Great clip!

Same here man.That is some ass kicking playin Bro!!!Keep posting clips I love what I've heard so far

. Again NICE playing. Chad

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:01 pm

Of all VH songs, that's gotta be one of the toughest to nail down. Gots to give up luv fo dat clip.

nitro · Post by **nitro** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:58 pm

Josse, what preamp tubes and what power amp tubes are you using.

Mr G · Post by **Mr G** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:18 am

I think thats a f*****g extraordinarily blinding tone to squeeze from a SLP re-issue. Well done! Now you have me wanting to do the same to my 12XXX build...woah...

Quick question(s)

You did the Ralle 2203 spec pre-amp but with the plexi style filtering - right?
V2 - did you use a 0.0022 or 0.022 (Standard 2203 spec),
PI - 100uf or 32uf?
Output couplers - Standard SLP 0.022's or bass style 0.1's?
Presence - 0.1 or 0.68uf with a 4.7k across the ground lug
Fizzy cap - 100pf or 47pf?

Sorry..had to ask.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:20 am

this not 2203 Spec.

Josse · Post by **Josse** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:25 am

...I'm still having problems with my internet access, unable to do forum sessions or pms! May be solved next beginning of the week (!)... so excuse me...

Still deeply grateful for your appreciation!

First of all, I never meant to have suceeded so far, and aside from this (silly) justification I'd like to share my experiences and answer your questions!

- My SLP is heavily rebuilt, only chassis, PT and some pots are left. Any build (maybe still not mine?) using very good parts should succeed.
- Yes, low (early plexi) filtering is a key to this, I think. It's always best to benifit from properly formed filter caps (I got F&Ts recently, doing this)! Mine has single 32uF on PI filtering right now.
- Look at the attached circuit, assuming that this is the earliest drawing of this and that ralle is referring to this (...my 'History Of Marshall' book is on the way

) - so, it's 0.022u for coupling/cascading V1a with V1b.
- I have standard 0.022u PI output couplers right now, expecting bass-couplers to extend the lows as usual, but maybe requiring different NFB combos (100k on 8 ohms for now)!!
- I experimented with the presence circuit and found out that the original version (ralle refers zo this) is not working for me - maybe because I still have 220k bias feeding. I like the '73 combo (0.680u/4.7k), but didn't try yet.
- 100p fizzy cap, not sure if this makes much difference.

- The treble bypass cap on the preamp pot has a very huge impact on the response!!! For me: 1nF is way too much for the 'juicy hid mid gain'-factor, ending up in almost uncontrollable squealing when the amp is played quite loud, also making the trebly hiss too superficial! I prefer 100pF, though sacrificing a hint of smack, gain and sizzle. Cleaning up with guitar pot is more musical, too. Thinking of 'Bottoms Up!!' intro...

MY conclusions, not generalizing:
This spec delivers an upfront, smacking tone due to compressing with cascade gain staging.EVH all the way! The sound in the room is cutting through nicely, a lot of the NVM characteristics remain. You get sustain but loose dynamics. The pot setting is important here, using a lot of PI and powertube distortion, along with full presence gain. I was able to rehearse successfully yesterday (broad classic rock spectrum) although I still have to accustom to this.

Sorry for the long post

, but hope this helps...

Regards, Jost

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:26 am

excellent playing josse! very cool to hear. thanks for posting.

it's interesting how in clips where a player plays along with the album, it's like a "how close but yet how far..." situation.

the closer you get - the wider it spreads. everything about it - from the tone to the effects to the intangible fury of expression. it speaks volumes of how completely amazing that first release is - untouchable - one can stand right up next to it and yet it is a million miles beyond reach.

like GOLF!!

Josse · Post by **Josse** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:33 am

Ooops, forgot the attachement: 2203 schematic from '76.

Oh yeah, the ralle spec is no pedigreed 2203! Though pretty close... but what do I know...

Ralle - your statement?!

Jost

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:44 am

rgalpin wrote:excellent playing josse! very cool to hear. thanks for posting.

it's interesting how in clips where a player plays along with the album, it's like a "how close but yet how far..." situation.

the closer you get - the wider it spreads. everything about it - from the tone to the effects to the intangible fury of expression. it speaks volumes of how completely amazing that first release is - untouchable - one can stand right up next to it and yet it is a million miles beyond reach.

like GOLF!!

i hear ya man. Ill say it again the amp sounds nothing like evh. The playing is great. It doesnt sound like a 2203 to me. U sure u even modded the amp differently from your first clip? I think yer full of shit and trying to put one over on us.

cary chilton · Post by **cary chilton** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:31 pm

Mark, be nice. He is just here for the same reason like you and all of us, loving Ed's tone.

Gainfreak · Post by **Gainfreak** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:21 pm

rockstah wrote:
rgalpin wrote:excellent playing josse! very cool to hear. thanks for posting.

it's interesting how in clips where a player plays along with the album, it's like a "how close but yet how far..." situation.

the closer you get - the wider it spreads. everything about it - from the tone to the effects to the intangible fury of expression. it speaks volumes of how completely amazing that first release is - untouchable - one can stand right up next to it and yet it is a million miles beyond reach.

like GOLF!!
i hear ya man. Ill say it again the amp sounds nothing like evh. The playing is great. It doesnt sound like a 2203 to me. U sure u even modded the amp differently from your first clip? I think yer full of shit and trying to put one over on us.

Well to be honest with you, I'm hearing kickass playing in that clip but the tone is not even remotely close to EVH /Ralles/Yours!

With that said, I'm kind off understanding why you have some doubts about what going on underneath the hood of the amp