Zep show postponed...Page broke finger?

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:54 am

Tone Slinger wrote:" You selling them 'pirate' ipods are ya chap ?" "Who's in charge of security ya silly cunt ?"

Ya'll remember that part on The Song Remains The Same movie. Peter Grant was trippin'. I mean I'm sure he was serious, being an ex wrestler and all, but that shit had me trippin hard when I first saw it, dilated pupils and all .

Exactly what I was refering to. TS!

gutpile · Post by **gutpile** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:10 am

"just so long that their is an extra nickel to be made by exploiting that Led Zeppelin is great..."

I must have watched that movie 1000 times from the time I was 6 up until last weekend!

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:41 am

That movie is one of the GREATEST ! When page was sittin beside that pond playin acoustic, with his back to the screen, when he turned his head, his eye's freaked me out !
But yeah, the security part with Grant was classic. He made that other guy look like a elf or something.

On the soundtrack there's a certain lick/vibe that Page does on 'Celebration Day' that is just awesom. 'No Quarter' also, imo, some of his best playing.

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:26 am

Yes, but you also have to take into consideration that the soundtrack is a complete splice job

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:19 pm

I've reconciled this way....

Jimmy Page has written, played, recorded and produceded some of the greatest rock and roll in the history of music. I would be immensely proud to have written any ONE of Zep's classics. The catalog speaks for itself. The guitar player side of me sometimes cringes when I watch the same guy on stage hit clams, miss notes (& strings) and even play way out of tune (ARMS show). BUT, is the man having a fucking great time playing??? You better believe it! And, does anybody else LOOK COOLER then JP duck walking across the stage with a LP down to his knees....ummmm, NOPE! Whereas I would like to see Jimmy live play like a virtuso, he's not. He's not even that for one take in the studio so why should we expect him to be live? So mixing a live album splicing bits is just an extension of what he always did in the studio. I have heard that the break to "Whole Lotta Love" took hundreds of takes. I think there are very few guitar players better live (one take) than in the studio (Jeff BEck for one). It's the nature of the beast. I take Jimmy live for what he is because I also know that the Zep catalog is the soundtrack to my growing up and you'll never take away what the man has committed to vinyl. JP is like the all of us, sometimes we're really on, sometimes we ain't. It's just the level and what we have to work with to start with....

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:39 pm

NY Chief wrote:I would be immensely proud to have written any ONE of Zep's classics.

Well, maybe not Carouselambra...

Nah, I hear where you're coming from and agree wholeheartedly. I wasn't blasting him or anything. He has been and always will be my favorite player and biggest influence. Back in '81 or '82, my brother's high school gf convinced him to let me tag along with them to a midnight showing of TSRTS...man, it just absolutely changed my life. I was absorbing that film for days...visions of SIBLY and D&C dancing in my head....even wrote essays on it for school....epic stuff, edited or not.

Eargasm · Post by **Eargasm** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:41 pm

NY Chief wrote:I've reconciled this way....

Jimmy Page has written, played, recorded and produceded some of the greatest rock and roll in the history of music. I would be immensely proud to have written any ONE of Zep's classics. The catalog speaks for itself. The guitar player side of me sometimes cringes when I watch the same guy on stage hit clams, miss notes (& strings) and even play way out of tune (ARMS show). BUT, is the man having a fucking great time playing??? You better believe it! And, does anybody else LOOK COOLER then JP duck walking across the stage with a LP down to his knees....ummmm, NOPE! Whereas I would like to see Jimmy live play like a virtuso, he's not. He's not even that for one take in the studio so why should we expect him to be live? So mixing a live album splicing bits is just an extension of what he always did in the studio. I have heard that the break to "Whole Lotta Love" took hundreds of takes. I think there are very few guitar players better live (one take) than in the studio (Jeff BEck for one). It's the nature of the beast. I take Jimmy live for what he is because I also know that the Zep catalog is the soundtrack to my growing up and you'll never take away what the man has committed to vinyl. JP is like the all of us, sometimes we're really on, sometimes we ain't. It's just the level and what we have to work with to start with....

Well said Chief!
I really relate more to a guitar player being innovative and soulful than how fast he can play. Imagine if Jimmy could suddenly shred at lightning speed...blazing 64th notes continually...
It would belittle him and he would come off goofy and childish.
In fact, there were a few players back in the 80's that DID try to shred after being previously "feel" type players. Roy Buchanan is one example. His early stuff was absolutely jaw dropping, yet in the 80's he saw the trend in rock guitar to shred, so he started going that way. It DID NOT suit him at all and a lot of his fans were disappointed.

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:30 pm

Well I think of some of Page's stuff as 'shredding'. Like some of the licks in "Since I've Been Loving You", and the live "No Quarter". He played fast in an emotional way, never getting 'clinical' and overly rehearsed sounding. That ability to play fast and not sound clinical has alway's been something that I like in others (Beck, Blackmore, Schenker, EVH ,etc), as well as strive for in my own playing. Page, in his solo's, always made up for the 'slop' in some of his playing, by hitting some of the most perfectly beautiful "right on time" notes ever. I love that about his playing.

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:52 pm

Tone Slinger wrote:Well I think of some of Page's stuff as 'shredding'. Like some of the licks in "Since I've Been Loving You", and the live "No Quarter". He played fast in an emotional way, never getting 'clinical' and overly rehearsed sounding. That ability to play fast and not sound clinical has alway's been something that I like in others (Beck, Blackmore, Schenker, EVH ,etc), as well as strive for in my own playing. Page, in his solo's, always made up for the 'slop' in some of his playing, by hitting some of the most perfectly beautiful "right on time" notes ever. I love that about his playing.

Thats something the older guys like Jimmy Jimi and Eric have always taken slack for by some, but super polished guys rarely have a grain of their umph. Im thinking maybe because at that time it was more accepted/expected/common to take chances or try to be original even if you fail vs being rehearsed and polished? Just a guess. There were plenty of super technical guys around long before shred started. Personally I think my best nights were some of the least polished and most pockmarked. Nights without mistakes were always good at the time but I know the playing was completely lacking balls or anything close to inspiration. Running through the motions would be a good description.

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:01 pm

Like BB King saying it all with one note....

chad · Post by **chad** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:56 pm

NY Chief wrote:I've reconciled this way....

Jimmy Page has written, played, recorded and produceded some of the greatest rock and roll in the history of music. I would be immensely proud to have written any ONE of Zep's classics. The catalog speaks for itself. The guitar player side of me sometimes cringes when I watch the same guy on stage hit clams, miss notes (& strings) and even play way out of tune (ARMS show). BUT, is the man having a fucking great time playing??? You better believe it! And, does anybody else LOOK COOLER then JP duck walking across the stage with a LP down to his knees....ummmm, NOPE! Whereas I would like to see Jimmy live play like a virtuso, he's not. He's not even that for one take in the studio so why should we expect him to be live? So mixing a live album splicing bits is just an extension of what he always did in the studio. I have heard that the break to "Whole Lotta Love" took hundreds of takes. I think there are very few guitar players better live (one take) than in the studio (Jeff BEck for one). It's the nature of the beast. I take Jimmy live for what he is because I also know that the Zep catalog is the soundtrack to my growing up and you'll never take away what the man has committed to vinyl. JP is like the all of us, sometimes we're really on, sometimes we ain't. It's just the level and what we have to work with to start with....

Man Chief you always seem too say whats in my head but so much better than I could in an hour of typing. I guess what I'm tring to say is +1 on what you said

. Chad

Eargasm · Post by **Eargasm** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:44 pm

I meant - what if Jimmy could shred 64th notes endlessly, like YJM, Satch or a good courtroom stenographer?
Do you think his playing would be "deeper" somehow because of it?

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:54 am

Maybe. Im going to say no. More verbiage maybe but definitely not deeper. More wow factor no doubt. Technique is the means to an end. Give page a bigger vocab and he'd be the same creative force he always was with a few more tricks.

I think the am plays a big part into this. Its hard to sound polished into something as raw and dirty sounding as a marshall. This just came up in a post yesterday. Hasnt anyone esle felt that way? There are certain ways to run a marshall that some guys like EJ and all do but just cranking one at that 'classic' level of marshall drive its hard to sound super polished or super techiniquey. Its really just you. No makeup.

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:54 am

I just find that the sloppiness adds an element to his technique that makes it quite difficult to make out what he's doing at times, especially through a cranked Marshall. The funny thing is, it's sloppy with style and good phrasing so you can listen to Page and the worst mistake still sound cool as shit (most of the time). Another sloppy guitarist playing the same riffs and it just sounds like a sloppy guitarist. It sounds weird but there are just a lot of nuances. I'm still trying to understand what the hell he's doing at the beginning of the solo in R&R on TSRTS. You can see in the movie he's doing some kind of pulloff thing but it's so hard to make out the actual notes. There's a guy on youtube named Vanderbilly (vanderbilly.com) that gives lessons on how to play alot of the live stuff....he's done a pretty good job...he seems to have gotten that bit in R&R.

908ssp · Post by **908ssp** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:51 am

Well I have put it like this before and I still stand by it. I would rather see and hear Jimmy Page than Robbin Ford.