Bridges, nuts and other harware...!!!

yngwie308 · Post by **yngwie308** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:02 am

The Rick Derringer hardtail Strat on the cover of All American Boy, had a Gibson style wraparound IIRC
http://www.flynnguitars.com/repairs.htm
I saw it for sale at a Vintage show, it was originally built for Johnny Winter.
yngwie308

mayrandp · Post by **mayrandp** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:04 am

JF, are you going for a bolt-on or set neck?

mayrandp · Post by **mayrandp** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:11 am

I just found that about necks: http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/all ... t-07/31687

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:46 am

fillmore nyc wrote:[ring longer than a Jehovahs Witness waiting at your door for you to answer it.

(Im in one of those moods tonight) / / /

ooooooo, did I HATE that shit coming in the back door on Sun morning after a lonnnngg Sat night and the JW ringing the front door. Man, more than one of those guys got a fukin earful of words they didn't wanna hear.

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:01 pm

I have to give my 2 cents on all this. For a strat (I'm talking origional style here; top routed 6 screw origional style trem) The best tone is the origional style trem bridge, the 6 screw into the body one. The newer Fender two point trems sucks out tone and resonance,sorta like right in between a origional Fender bridge and a Floyd. The actual metal blend in the Fender blocks seems to have changed over the years, with the older ones sounding better. Callaham seems to have noticed this.

The hardtail models lose alot of that sorta 3 dimensional 'airy' sorta sound that the trem models have. The trem gives off a sixth sense sorta tonal charecter thats hard to describe, but strat purists inately know.

I like a bone nut, and with all due respect to Fill (alot of respect for sure !) I think that the nut affects overall tone on a guitar. As an example, if I fret a c on the g string at the 5th fret, and then reach behind the nut and press down on the g string, the note goes sharp, even though I'm still fretting the note. See, the strings always have relation to the nut, which affects the whole of the sound.

I also like klusion tuners/F tuners. They have less mass and work great.

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:19 pm

Very interesting........

How about single OR dual neck rod? Some say the single rod is better sounding, some don't .........

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:28 pm

I like the single acting vintage style rod. The newer dual acting type rods stiffen the tone a bit more, resulting in less dynamics. The vintage rod/designed necks are warmer sounding.

fillmore nyc · Post by **fillmore nyc** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:10 pm

Tone Slinger wrote:The hardtail models lose alot of that sorta 3 dimensional 'airy' sorta sound that the trem models have. The trem gives off a sixth sense sorta tonal charecter thats hard to describe, but strat purists inately know.

I like a bone nut, and with all due respect to Fill (alot of respect for sure !) I think that the nut affects overall tone on a guitar. As an example, if I fret a c on the g string at the 5th fret, and then reach behind the nut and press down on the g string, the note goes sharp, even though I'm still fretting the note. See, the strings always have relation to the nut, which affects the whole of the sound.

WHY YOU UNGRATEFUL, NO GOOD...

Hey, TS!! Good to hear from you!! Seems like a long time.

SO... I've never noticed any loss of 3d-ness from a hardtail, but I guess a point could be made about the trem block and springs contributing to the tone, especially the springs acting almost like drone notes in the backround. (Isnt that how Jimmy Page got the guitar sound at the end of "Over The Hills And Far Away" with his double neck?) Urban legend has it that he played the part on one neck, but had the pickups on the OTHER neck active, giving that drone-note effect. I could see that possibly adding a kind of fullness to a trem Strats tone. I DO think a hardtail exploits more of the inherent "woodiness" of a guitars sound, though.
Sorry, bro, but I still stick by my guns: Whether its guitars or chicks, a nice hard tail is the way to go!! (top is rounded, mids are tight, and the bottom is full and defined... how ya gonna beat THAT??)

I dont really understand the example you made of the nut contributing to tone by bending behind the nut of a fretted note, though. Yeah, the note goes sharp, but how is the nut affecting the tone there? All you're really doing is stretching the string, which you could also do behind the bridge, say if it was a trapeze tailpiece (archtop type) guitar. I dont get how the nut is involved in the tone there. You're still obtaining the basic note and tone off of the fret, just stretching it from another location, so please 'es-plain me, mon!!

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5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:16 pm

Love it, we have two top notch guitar builders here now........

Have enough Cherry to try each ideas set up so lets have it, give us the beef boys!!

MacGaden · Post by **MacGaden** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:27 am

Tone Slinger wrote:I have to give my 2 cents on all this. For a strat (I'm talking origional style here; top routed 6 screw origional style trem) The best tone is the origional style trem bridge, the 6 screw into the body one.

I agree. And with some care that type of Trem can stay in tune pretty good. Here

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:24 pm

Great points for sure ! Hell, I get SO into all the sonic variables that at times, I'm not certain about things from day to day.

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:25 pm

Jeff Beck's tone on that clip is one I love, what a guitar God this guy is....

Feel of Feels!!

MacGaden · Post by **MacGaden** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:09 pm

5150loveeddie wrote:Jeff Beck's tone on that clip is one I love, what a guitar God this guy is....

Feel of Feels!!

Did you read the Brian May quote I put in the Jeff Beck thread ?

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:09 pm

MacGaden wrote:
5150loveeddie wrote:Jeff Beck's tone on that clip is one I love, what a guitar God this guy is....

Feel of Feels!!
Did you read the Brian May quote I put in the Jeff Beck thread ?

oh yeah.......100000% true what BM says..........

From Brian May

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Mon May 05, 2008 1:40 am

Fill anyone, I saw that bridge from Warmoth, what do you think??

http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/bridges ... trat_fixed

Or should I be better off with Callaham's or the other ones you mention here ealier??

thx!