fillmore nyc wrote:loud and dirty wrote:So what some people are saying, using EVH as the example, is that the Floyd was the only factor in his tone being different? Not his tubes, amps, speakers, cabinets (grill cloth effects tone), microphones (huge difference between a Shure and a Sennheiser), miking techniques, going through rack effects,pedals, playing hundreds of different guitars made of varying woods (he used everything from stock Strats to LP's to Tele's to Dan Electro Guitars), constantly changing pickups, different recording techniques and machines, the producer's ear,etc....
None of those factors contribute at all to his tone? My point is that it is simply not possible to base an honest opinion on the tone of a single component of a guitar from listening to a STUDIO recording. There are simply too many variables.
Look, a Floyd does change a guitar....That's easy to agree on... But I just don't think using studio albums recorded a year apart, or more, is the best way to judge the difference. Playing two equally well constructed instruments, high quality parts and a real Floyd) is a much better way. A lot of people have low opinions on Floyds because they have played "licensed by" on cheap guitars.
Really, when you get down to it, its just for the sake of conversation and experimentation. Every player thats been at this game for more than 5 minutes knows that you can compare 2 absolutely identical rigs, from guitars, amps, tubes, cords, strings, blah, blah, blah. Make the pickguard screws identical down to their weight in micrograms. The 2 rigs WILL sound different.
I think just about all of us has heard a Floyd guitars that kills, and a Floyd guitar that sucks. If the right combination isnt there, no trickery or mod is gonna be "THE answer". Sometimes you just hit the right piece of wood, the right pickup wind, the right phase of the moon, and it all WORKS.
More often than not, something isnt up to snuff, and then we all get out the X-ray machine and go to work. Its beautiful, cause somebody somewhere gets to go "AH-HA!! I GOT IT!!"
Then we all scream like little kids trying to get a glimpse at the big secret, cause we all wanna be the guy that "gets the chicks".
Ya gotta love it!!
Well put, its def chasing something "Tone" I love to tweak stuff to see if it will work, this site and the people are beyond a huge help, thee amount of talent alone is amazing let alone the gear head tweakers tone chasers! I guess with Eddie its all the above right Gear, Song writing, tone, and timing timing and TIMING!! Ed was at the right time right place in music where we needed something badly, easy now dont get me wrong I love Moore, Beck, Page, Hendrix.
I could go on and on, but music was waiting for this guy (ed) and when the little dutchman hit the streets we opened arms and said G Damn WTF who was that?? And no one in my area could cop his feel sure we where all tappin dancin away, then of course malmsteen hit the streets and we were like ok thats it I quit LOL Now look around 30 years later we are still banging our heads against the wall over all of them probably more so Eddie then anyone WHY???
Anyone care to chime in?? Im from ohio originally we had some talent come out of there I went to high school wtih Jeff Young ( Megadeath), and took some lessons off Michale Harris, annd often would go see his band which is a complete shredder in my opinion, then ther was a huge gospel Goad Fam Singers band up in piqua ohio kid was 14 keyboard player( which just passed away god rest his soul) could smoke ELP and or Wakeman No shit gang could smoke these guys with his eyes closed, anyways wow way off topic here.
Im sorry LOL but the point beside chasing tone and all this place we can reflect and share and learn and all the above, Dont you true rockers out there feel like you are LOST?? In this world come on our music kicked ass and its gone gone gone!!
bring it back, this american idol is shit and a joke, hanna banana montana WTF is that shit and the chick is selling huge ass arenas O U T!! That shit is not music!!!!!!!!!!! there is no blood sweat soul kick ur assage in that crap!!DAmnnn!!! lol
Ok thanks for letting me vent Im better, sorry for semi off topic lol, but there is to much talent in here you young guys got to do some major ass kicking and write some tunes and make it happen!! Or move to japan LOL passports please lol
Once again sorry for this huge post I will bar myself from posting for a day or so LOL
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