Which WCR

[56goldtop]

Corect if if *I'm* wrong, but I think Peter actually GAVE that guitar to Gary. And when Gary tried to give it back, Green wouldn't take it, so Gary sold it. I think. Can't swear to any of it, but that is pretty much the way I heard it.

I'm pretty sure Gary borrowed the les paul from Peter for a while, and when he was to return it to Peter he said that it was an incredible guitar, then Peter asked him if he wanted to buy it. Gary said he didn't have the money for it, but Peter just told him to sell his current guitar, and whatever he got for it he could buy the les paul for.

That's the way I've heard it, but there seems to be lot of different versions to the story

[novosibir]

Larry! I perfected Schaffer's (Iced Earth) pickup set, and they will be on my site as soon as the graphics are done, probably a week. Wait'll you see what they look like, and what they are going in. Should be very very baddass... New electronics kit and all.

Very interesting

I'd like to have a bridge PU, a tad more punchy and growling than a Darkburst is/does, but I don't want to loose too much of its brightness.
If it's about this, then tell me more!
I know, that you can't compare PU's just by its DC resistance, but anyway can you tell me the DC value?

Corect if if *I'm* wrong, but I think Peter actually GAVE that guitar to Gary. And when Gary tried to give it back, Green wouldn't take it, so Gary sold it. I think. Can't swear to any of it, but that is pretty much the way I heard it.

AFAIK Peter has had 3 different Les Paul's at that time, but none SG - but Gary had a SG, which Peter liked to have, so he offered him a swap - and they made the deal. Later anywhen Peter admitted, that the Les Paul he gave to Gary has been his worst sounding one or at least the one, he liked least

Larry

[yngwie308]

And Gary has had a love/hate relationship with Peter's guitar ever since he 'bought' it. He likes big necks, but Greeny's neck is huge even by '59 standards..a pun I dun..
Seriously I talked to the guy who actually took the guitar apart at a vintage show and he said the magnet was flipped, the wiring was correct stock. The guitar although a world wide classic, it's time was up for Gary and he still has his Stripe '59 which rips, I think he made the right move now, although initially I didn't think so.
Fortunately I don't have any LP's that need PAF's so I am happy to not have that dilemma, I love my '52 Soapbars..
yngwie308

[56goldtop]

yeah, P-90's are great!

[electricskychurch]

it's been more than a year that i want to buy some WCR pu's and finaly placed my order today !
i knew i couldn't buy one only so i had to wait to have the budget .
i ordered :
bet set
crossroads
dark burst
fillmore
with several candies (a2 mags and raw and polished nickel silver covers), after i "wore out" Jim with many questions he nicely answers !
i'm curious to try them in my guitars, just have to decide which in which ?
i've been reading many reviews on several boutique pu's but i finaly headed to WCR.
also, i have to say since i read the topic with Udo and his bet set through a block logo jtm45 and heard the clips as well as the fillmore clips , i was very interested,.
also as Udo seems to know the tone to look for from what i saw.

[electricskychurch]

does anybody know if the Darkburst neck pu is exactly the same as the Crossroads bridge pu ?

i emailed Jim but he's away for a few days.

cause i tried the Darkburst set and also tried the Darkburst neck pu in both neck and bridge position (as the darkburst bridge has too much output for me and too much mids and maybe low end as well for my taste) in a les paul 59 ri (instead of the stock classic 57') but it seems it's not exactly the tone i look for (although i prefer the neck pu in bridge position for a lower output), so i would like to know if the crossroads bridge is exactly the same.

does the Crossroads and Betset have the same tight/stiff (not loose and softer/slower) touch response as the Darkburst ?

do they have as much mids as the Darkburst as well (i suppose with more high end clarirty ) ?

[electricskychurch]

Jim told me the DB neck is nearly the same as the CR bridge.
i used the DB neck in bridge position and i prefer it like that; i begin to get used to it.
i have a Seth Lover SH55 in neck position that sounds a bit nasal (especialy the bridge one when i had it installed) and it gives a good middle position with two pu's whereas i rarely use it usualy with the classic 57's.

i tried the BetSet on a SG 61' ri and was a bit surprised how the bridge pu output level was weak !

this is a good pu's set but the bridge pu seems to have a noticeably lower output than the classic 57' that was in originaly.
the classic 57' was 7,67k and i think the betset bridge is 7,5k but the difference is important.
my seth lover SH55 bridge pu has more output as well.

the tone of the betset isn' t very bright but like the DarkBurst set , has much mids and good lows (the betset bridge seems less bright than the darkburst neck pu used in bridge position (nearly a crossroads bridge).

the betset doesn't have much output level but it's still easy to get some good harmonics with thumb/ pick .
also, the WCR's neck pu's i tried are more usuable than the classic 57's in neck position, with a tighter tone and as for the bridge pu, all the notes ring clearly.

i have to say i'm really used to the classic 57' pu's as i had some in all my gibson guitars but i'm looking for some other pu's to find some more accurate PAF repros although i never tried some !
the only other PAF style humbuckers i tried is the Seth Lover SH55 pu set (and some 490/498T as well as 496/500T but don't like any of them).
so, i'm quiet surprised with the WCR tones and responses and i don't really know if i prefer the classsic 57' or the WCR's i tried.
they are both interesting depending on what you look for and the guitar and amp/speaker you use.
maybe i'm too much used to the classic 57 so i might prefer them for the moment but i have to play more with the WCR to get used to them.
i prefered the WCR's with my JTM45 better than with the tweed deluxe, maybe because the tweed deluxe has already much mids; i have to try again.

at first it seemed to me the classic 57' have more high end and less mids than the WCR pu's i tried but they are not as defined and tight as the WCR's.
in fact i'm not sure the classic 57' have more high end than the WCR i tried but the WCR have so much mids that it may sounds like they have less high end.

i also tried the fillmore set ,without covers for the moment and A5 mags(as i did for the DB set although i used A2 mags with them as i didn't like them that much with A5), they seem to have more or less the same output level as a classic 57' unlike what i would have thought reading the 10k and 13k but that's a good thing as i don't look for high output pu's.
they are clear, defined with much low end , a bit too much for me so i put the bass side of the pu farther from the strings what reduced the low end a bit.
i will try them for slide guitar.

did anybody compare the BetSet or the crossroads set with some good sounding original late 50's or early 60's PAF pu's ?

is there as much mids in the good sounding original ones of that era than there is in the WCR's ?