Gibson Discontinues Some Les Paul Models

[nitro]

Gibson has discontinues some Les Paul models,models that are discontinued are as listed: Classic - Classic Antique - Standard - Standard Premium Plus - Studio Premium Plus,this is listed on Gibsons web site,i own a classic which in my opinion is a great sounding les paul,anyway i just wanted to pass this info........

[yngwie308]

nitro, the Classic has always been a great sounding value for money Lester, starting with the 1960 Classic iirc, sorry to see her go.
yngwie308

[chubs]

I own a 1990 LP Classic...which they say is the ancestor to the VOS R0's ... in fact, in 1990, it was more an exact repro of the 1960 LP than the Reissue itself...

[NY Chief]

Fuck all these detours....

There should 5 Les Pauls, current best modern production, Standard, Deluxe and Custom in a few colors (like the old days) and a '59 and '60 RI

And, there should be 4 Strats, current best modern production rosewood and maple neck, '57 & '64 RI.

DUMP all the fucking production signature series because EVERYBODY has a signature guitar and make all those custom shop or special order.

Again like the old days the budget lines would be Epiphone and Squier.

There's too much shit out there.

rant over (Damn, I'm not sounding like Ed Roman, am I? )

[fillmore nyc]

Fuck all these detours....

There should 5 Les Pauls, current best modern production, Standard, Deluxe and Custom in a few colors (like the old days) and a '59 and '60 RI

And, there should be 4 Strats, current best modern production rosewood and maple neck, '57 & '64 RI.

DUMP all the fucking production signature series because EVERYBODY has a signature guitar and make all those custom shop or special order.

Again like the old days the budget lines would be Epiphone and Squier.

There's too much shit out there.

rant over (Damn, I'm not sounding like Ed Roman, am I? )

I was getting all set to rant my ass off, but you said it all for me, Chief, thank you.

I could even cut it down on the LP's:
A '59 reissue.
A Beck style wraptail with P90's.
Generic USA humbucking "cheapies" for those that cant afford a '59 or a Beck. Have the variations be in the finishes... cherry bursts, darkbursts, trans reds, naturals, blacks, etc.

As far as (USA made) Strats, 4 would cover it: a maple board '56 2 tone burst, a rosewood board '61 in antique white, and also offer both of those relic'd. Done. "MAYBE" throw in some limited edition custom colors each year, AND DONT TRY TO BAMBOOZLE US WITH HIGHER PRICES FOR THOSE, JUST CAUSE YA SHOT IT IN A FUCKING COLOR!!!!! (Bastards...)
Again, produce Jap built shit for those that cant afford the USA guitars... same M.O. with Tele's: a maple board '50 Broadcaster (in butterscotch... yum), a rosewood board '62, and maybe throw in a Tele Custom, or an Esquire. Same deal with the occasional custom color.
I guess they sell a lot of those zillion or so variations for good reason, but as far as Im concerned, they can keep 'em. IMO, the pieces listed above are really the only valid guitars produced by either company in those categories (LP's. Strats & Tele's).

Now FIREBIRDS, on the other hand...
Ah, fuck it... Gibson certainly aint gonna listen, and I've already said it all here.

[NY Chief]

It's all these marketing MBA pukes having to have a new product every 10 minutes whether it's valid or not makes no difference to the boardroom pukes.

Same shit as what's going on with the bailout mess.

[45auto]

so true Chief, sign of the times. don't buy it, they won't sell it.

[fillmore nyc]

don't buy it, they won't sell it.

I would say "HELL YEAH" to that, but Im SO fuckin' guilty and hypocritical having bought the J.W. Firebird.

[chubs]

Read this, This is a great article that Matt (the guy that sold me the Classic) found a long time ago on the reissue of the Gibson bursts.

Pay close attention starting on page 8-9 as they begin the discussion of the Classic series and how the early run relates to the Historic lineage.

At the same time, Riboloff designed a new Les Paul model using the 1960 sunburst Standard as a starting point. The new model had the thin binding in the cutaway, the small headstock, various
shades of sunburst finish and the inked-on serial number of the
Reissue. But it had a slim, 1960-style neck profile, hot eramicmagnet
pickups with no pickup covers and “1960” stamped on the
pickguard. The problem was that the differences between the Reissue and the Classic were on paper. In reality, the Classic was actually closer to the original sunburst Les Paul than the Reissue was. The Classic headstock was correct (the Reissue was smaller than that ofthe Standard, but not small enough). The Classic had push-in tuner bushings (again, the correct vintage style) where the Reissue had standard screw-in bushings. And the Classic had aged (yellowed) fingerboard inlays, which looked like those of an original
Standard.



Chubs

[6string]

That's a very old article, albeit an interesting one. The general consensus is that the 2003 run of '59 reissue Les Pauls are the most historically accurate and best reissues they produced. The year they finally got everything right. They did the last run with Brazilian rosewood that year.

[908ssp]

It all boils down to personal preference. The yellow neck inlays are so ugly I couldn't own one. And NOT accurate. I have a 62 LP and had a 61 plus have handled 58,59 and 60 and never seen any yellow inlays.

Besides my 62 LP I have a Edwards JP LP and it is as close as I need or want to a 59.

[6string]

What guitars have yellow inlays?

[nikki-k]

Hi!
I own a 2001 Classic Premium +.
The inlays were the ugly (IMO) snot green. Earlier Classics were alot more hit or miss for getting one with greener or not. Alot of people cite the first several years as being close enough to Standards and even some RI's to be worth grabbing up.

I played mine, and loved the tone. I knew with different pickups, it would be incredible. There was a fret leveling issue at the 11th fret, and then the place that sold it to me would not honor the return policy I was told I would have. Called Gibson, bitched, and opted to simply level it myself, recrown and dress. No biggie, but sucked that it actually got to me like that.

Fast forward, and several years later I finally got over it all, and decided it was time to give ti attention. Had the frets pulled, brought it home, pulled the inlays,, and put some nice 50's era celluloid in. Dressed coarsely, and then brought it back for board level, some nice 6100 fret wire, and with new pickups it is a dream. Guess I am a snob, as the greenish inlays really disgusted me. The buggered fret from the factory did not help...

nikki

[electricskychurch]

even if i agree they have far too many models , especialy since a few years (see gibson !!) but i think it's nice there are several models and series , so there are some for different budgets and people.
some like more modern models or evolutions of standard models, personaly i prefer the standard vintage style models (les paul , les paul/ sg , sg , 50's and 60's tele and strats...).

one big difference between the historic collection and classic les paul is the long tenon.
personnaly i had a 95' les paul standard premium plus and i prefer my 96' and 97' les paul 59' ri's , that have a fuller tone , with more low end and low mids.
that classic les paul was having sort of a dry tone with few low end/ low mids, and much high mids (could be harsh) .
my 2002' les paul standard sits in between the classic i had and the 59' ri's.

and i didn't like the greenish neck inlays neither ! LOL

it seems there is no more les paul 54 black beauty for sale either , on their website

[StuntDouble]

Fuck all these detours....

There should 5 Les Pauls, current best modern production, Standard, Deluxe and Custom in a few colors (like the old days) and a '59 and '60 RI

And, there should be 4 Strats, current best modern production rosewood and maple neck, '57 & '64 RI.

DUMP all the fucking production signature series because EVERYBODY has a signature guitar and make all those custom shop or special order.

Again like the old days the budget lines would be Epiphone and Squier.

There's too much shit out there.

rant over (Damn, I'm not sounding like Ed Roman, am I? )

Good heavens no... your rant at least made sense. To approach "Ed Roman" territory you would have to mention that all Gibson's present models suck, and that they are spawned from the depths of hell by evil CADCAM machines that will one day become self aware and send robots back in time to kill all of the "hardworking, honest" luthiers like Ed. The only way to prevent this from happening, is to boycott every major manufacturer and buy solely from Ed!

One time I sent Ed a guitar to be worked on, and after the work was done and the estimate doubled in price, I was pretty pissed, but when Ed explained to me how inferior the workmanship was everywhere else and how all other luthiers were so stupid, I was relieved and even grateful.
Sorry to hijack your LP thread Nitro I will miss the LP Classic; love those necks. Pretty sweet guitar prvided that it's been through ER's 47 step inspection, dipped in the holy water and sprinkled with his magic pixie dust to increase sustain and resonance. You just can't get that kind of service anywhere else!


Oh yeah...Ed Roman died for your sins too!