Ed's 1978 touring rig.

[rgalpin]

the cables that make the amp appear to be jumpered - maybe that's where the EP is being used - if you put it in a jumper loop of a dimed plexi it works way better - the echo has a chance to peak through as ed's does. technically this does not refute ROBIN L's saying that they are in front of amp 1.

so - i'm proposing that in this pic the bottom marshall amp is amp 1 with the EP running in a jumper loop, the vox is the power amp, the small box is the back up.

running the EP in front of a dimed plexi in a NORMAL config is just not going to sound the way ed's EP sounds. it's never going to peak through - it will be strangled and compressed out almost completely.

opinions R us!

and no offense to ROBIN L. whatsoever. his comments are extraordinary and much appreciated.

[Good Guest]

Yeh it does look like the ep3 is going into the left input of amp 1...then the upper right input seems to be connected also and the lower right....could be one is being used as an preamp lineout like the jose modded amps.

They say (univox) that the ec80 can create quite a bit of noise and hum if placed near other electrical devices..just look at the shielding and distance he has it from everything ...the shielding is almost blinding (tin foil?) . Placing it in that old bomb is just uber kewl..looks like he's using the high Z ins and outs also. No footswitch or box 1 laying around either.

[guitar007]

Yes. I got RWTD confused with YRGM.

Ed seems to play RWTD with the Franky? If I remember correctly from some boots, I think this is right.

YRGM on the Destroyer comes after the Frankys Eruption.

No matter how the leads are hooked up, Box 1 is not being used as a EQ looper on/off switch in the live photos or the Japan photos.

To me...the P1 photo proves that pedal 1 is an on/off. Been there and still doing that! But run your rig however it works best for you.

[guitar007]

the cables that make the amp appear to be jumpered - maybe that's where the EP is being used - if you put it in a jumper loop of a dimed plexi it works way better - the echo has a chance to peak through as ed's does. technically this does not refute ROBIN L's saying that they are in front of amp 1.

so - i'm proposing that in this pic the bottom marshall amp is amp 1 with the EP running in a jumper loop, the vox is the power amp, the small box is the back up.

Hey Bud...I wanna understand what your saying here...but can't. Can you please re-explain?

Guitar -> pedalboard -> Echoplex -> ....?

[rgalpin]

007,

guitar > pedals du jour > plexi brite ch

at this point guitar signal can be tapped from the bottom hole of the brite ch and sent anywhere you want to send it. i am suggesting that it is being sent to the EP and then returned to the normal ch input. with that config, you can mix the echo in using the normal ch vol knob on the amp.

doing it that way keeps the echo from getting squished out in the first gain stage because it follows a separate path until it gets to the mixer components of the amp.

i learned this form MIGHTYMIKE here on the metroamp board - it works great. if yer going to put yer echo in front of a dimed plexi, it is a very good option.

[Strat78]

007,

guitar > pedals du jour > plexi brite ch

at this point guitar signal can be tapped from the bottom hole of the brite ch and sent anywhere you want to send it. i am suggesting that it is being sent to the EP and then returned to the normal ch input. with that config, you can mix the echo in using the normal ch vol knob on the amp.

doing it that way keeps the echo from getting squished out in the first gain stage because it follows a separate path until it gets to the mixer components of the amp.

i learned this form MIGHTYMIKE here on the metroamp board - it works great. if yer going to put yer echo in front of a dimed plexi, it is a very good option.

So the guitar goes into the upper left plug. You take a plug from the bottom left and run that into the EP3 then from the EP3 into the upper right plug? Could this also be done with a P-90 to make it more subtle?

[rgalpin]

007,

guitar > pedals du jour > plexi brite ch

at this point guitar signal can be tapped from the bottom hole of the brite ch and sent anywhere you want to send it. i am suggesting that it is being sent to the EP and then returned to the normal ch input. with that config, you can mix the echo in using the normal ch vol knob on the amp.

doing it that way keeps the echo from getting squished out in the first gain stage because it follows a separate path until it gets to the mixer components of the amp.

i learned this form MIGHTYMIKE here on the metroamp board - it works great. if yer going to put yer echo in front of a dimed plexi, it is a very good option.

So the guitar goes into the upper left plug. You take a plug from the bottom left and run that into the EP3 then from the EP3 into the upper right plug? Could this also be done with a P-90 to make it more subtle?

i tried that! the reason it didn't work was because the normal channel was too tubby - by the time you dialed in the phase enough to hear it, there was too much tub. the next thing to try here is to wire both channels like the brite ch. and then hook up the p90. i never tried it. but it would be a great experiment.

[leadguy]

Could be for the Echoplex but it also could be just daisy chaining amps or bi-amping which was very common in the 70s especially with different brands of amps like a Marshall/Fender combo or a Marshall/Vox combo or a Fender/Vox combo and others.

Rudy Leiren likes bi-amping amps.
Here he shows Mick Mars some bi-amping (not slaving) tricks.

Guitar World Sep 24, 2008

GW What about Girls, Girls, Girls [1987]?

"MARS Well, Theater of Pain was the beginning of my using the Kramer and Charvel Strat and Tele-style guitars, and that continued on through Girls and Dr. Feelgood. Also, around that time I was working with Eddie Van Halen’s old tech, Rudy [Leiren], and he came in and set me up with this bi-amp system that changed a lot for me. I started to combine a lot of different amps, mixing and matching Hiwatts and Marshalls and Vox AC30s—all this different stuff. So I’m always open to trying new things."

http://www.guitarworld.com/article/mick ... page=0%2C3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Listen to the noise in this 1976 Eruption.
The way Ed and most guitarists got around noise in the 70s was by turning the amp up so that the signal to noise ratio improves.
Guitar players that played live in the 70s were not afraid of hearing loss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EiKtb0oYmY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[dirtycooter]

Mick Mars-now there is the next big mystery tone to chase
Man was he an odd duck. Like Alice Cooper with a guitar you know.
But-they were what they were-still listen to 'em now and then-good tunes for reminiscen for sure.

[leadguy]

I think Alice was better looking though.

[Ralle]

Oh man... This makes me wanna go back to testing the slaving... I've been playing my plexi with a cascade for quite some time now ( sounds real nice ) but this thread got my spark going again...
Robin, to even think about want to share all this after all this years... the hat's of to you, man
Ralle

[502_6speed]

Well, Hopefully Robin will do Van Halen II touring rig? But, too bad he took such a beating with his knowledge sharing of Van Halen I.

Some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Robin has made me think about different ways to plaset-up and that is what we are here for, right?

As Ralle said, "Robin, to even think about want to share all this after all this years... the hat's of to you, man."

Robin, COME BACK, I WANT TO READ MORE FROM YOU.

[StuntDouble]

Well, Hopefully Robin will do Van Halen II touring rig? But, too bad he took such a beating with his knowledge sharing of Van Halen I.

Some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Robin has made me think about different ways to plaset-up and that is what we are here for, right?

As Ralle said, "Robin, to even think about want to share all this after all this years... the hat's of to you, man."

Robin, COME BACK, I WANT TO READ MORE FROM YOU.

Whoa...slow your roll there my brother! Now who Robin L. is or isn't is still anyone's guess. As for the information he's provided, that's still a subject of some debate, b/c the vast majority of it has been mentioned before by some very knowledgable sources such as Mark Cameron, Dave Friedman, Rockstah and others who are more than happy to share their identities BTW.

That being said, I have a few reservations about some of the things that Robin L. has shared, but hey, if he's done what he says he's done and been where he says he's been, I wouldn't expect him to remember miniscual details from 30 yrs ago anyways...I probably wouldn't either. My point is this, just take it for what it is without slamming anyone...that includes the members here...I don't think anyone here has anything to be ashamed of by asking for some validity as to the who to the why to the how . Posting as "Robin L." and then saying your not "Rudy L" ruffled a little feathers...mine included, but hey, whatever, he shared some cool shit and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. I don't have to bite off on everything the guy says to appreciate what he has contributed and respect him as a member of this forum, but I think the same respect should be extended to everyone else here as well...and yeah, I'd like to hear from him again too.

Peace, Love and Chicken grease

Ben

[rgalpin]

Oh man... This makes me wanna go back to testing the slaving... I've been playing my plexi with a cascade for quite some time now ( sounds real nice ) but this thread got my spark going again...
Robin, to even think about want to share all this after all this years... the hat's of to you, man
Ralle

Ralle - good to see you!
-rob

[Ralle]

Oh man... This makes me wanna go back to testing the slaving... I've been playing my plexi with a cascade for quite some time now ( sounds real nice ) but this thread got my spark going again...
Robin, to even think about want to share all this after all this years... the hat's of to you, man
Ralle

Ralle - good to see you!
-rob

Hey Rob. Thanx man... same to you. This is great... Me and you and a lot of guys; Mark A and Mark C among others, have been working our asses of with this details, with various results... and to get this factly info of THE rig and most of us being so close ( thanx to all the knoledge from most you guys, ) and the guts to dig in to it... I have wanted for a LOOOONG time for somebody like Robin L to share his knoledge. It feels good to see that one hasn't been out in the bushes to far from what Robin says... All that's left is to get to work, wich probably isn't going to be a walk in the park, right
Nice to be back
Ralle