Ed's 1978 touring rig.

[IloveMyMarshall]

Stop the insanity and get your core tone going on . No effects

+1

[papawoofer]

Leadguy ,

I want to step out and profess that you are one of the coolest participants in the history of the internet . That being said it is so hard to recover from such a statemetnt , and I will . Here we go ... The gravel settles and the truth follows the same .Like a fly fisherman ( in which I am ) , that whole process is an exercise in relaxation and humility . No fishing involved , and in this journey it is very similar . We know that Ed loved a 59 les paul junior into a single hundred watter and matching cabinet . That alone is a huge statement . To believe that alone is hard , but we have the internet that shares backyard parties and live shows and are true to the sense that you can , CAN bring thousands of people to a backyard to hear you . Without a whammy bar or a chain of effects . The bottom line was the tone and the player . Hell , he was even singing the songs at times . Not THE singer or the promoter , OR the producer . Come on man , a P-90 can change the world . Lets stop for a moment and acknowledge this . A P-90 into a stock Marshall , which was essentially a Super PA , changed the world into a mathcing cabinet . Effects aside , production aside . Period . Wanna VH1 sound ? Start with the work , the beginning . No stupid emphasis on action is going to get it . And his action was less than an eight of an inch on the high and low E strings with the first fret fretted . Some folks have weighed in on this and all I can say is some use a highly specialized damper to aide their tapping and low string requirements . No mallice intended . In addition , as bullder and enthusiast , Ed had to overcome what was a tone chasing fact . Fact , you have a gap if your gonna shim the neck that sucks tone , he would rather play higher action than have a tone sucking gap with a shim in his guitar . Fact. A player that reports back that his origional axe is uncomfortable is accurate . One the pickgaurd was missing , exposing the entire cavity and from the visual standpoint probably dibilitating . The next fact is that how do you really play Eds guitar and feel good about it . At the factory , we all just about shit ourself each time he brought in his gear . We always found him Lost , Lost in the factory , finding the paint booth or the milling machine finding his own experiments . The bottom line was always that he knew what he was doing , for a reason . Stop the insanity and get your core tone going on . No effects , your house shaking or the place that your stand is held just resonating under your feet . If the tone is not inspirational enough for you to tilt back your head and loose your present perception of time . Well you gotta work on some things to dial it in . You should be opening your eyes and crawl your way to the cabinets dancing on the floor , resonating so hard that when you find them its your skills that pull the leash and they should moan . I mean scream and moan with ya . The slab or foundation vibrating under your feet . The police on the way . Leadguy is the goods and we should be grateful he is here . I am . And as a result , I turn it up , vibrate the figurines off the shelf , tilt my head back and hope the mike picks it up . At least the small voice activated recorder jumps to auto and slams down the memory . Come on gang , get inspired , drop the effects and grab the raw tone , the vibe and then your neighborhood can scream , everybody wants some .

dude IMHO you are right on target. I have always used a preamp, effects, poweramp setup and I ALWAYS wound up using one one basic channel even though I had 256! Now I use a Metro with a 412 and I wonder what the hell I've been doing for the last 25 years! I had a swamp ash guitar custom built and it has always had a little higher action but every time I fix it I go right back to where it was. I have switched to heavy strings, higher action so they can vibrate, and a more dynamic pick attack and I love it! Its so funny I look down and think my action is too high but it feels ok and sounds better. When I built my first Metro even though there was some mistakes the tone was IT! It gave me a chubby! TONE,TONE,TONE with no effects! I put it in a room that had a little natural reverb and I was experiencing the sound Ive always looked for! Now Im looking for a high quality rev, delay, chorus only that I can switch in occasionally and thats it. Im learning that my swamp ash body with the Floyd mounted where it is resting on the face of the guitar (dive only, BTW my guitar actually vibrates in your hands!) higher action (put shims in, end up taking them right out), heavier strings, heavier attack, cranked CLASSIC Marshall into a 412 with great speakers are it. Screw a bunch of processing. Focus on the fundementals.

[vanhalen5150]

Plexified has apparently lit a few fires under some ass's.

[dtdionne]

plexified leadguy....here here!!!!

breakya some core tone or go home!

the first person that dimed a pa behind a guitar back then and knew it (goose bumps and inability to breath) could write their ticket. I'm selfishily, uncompromizingly, unforgivingly and franticly searching for that core tone becuase I know that it will make me a better guitarist, FOR ME while captivating my heart and imagination, for me. I know this because with each step closer I find that it's harder and harder to put the guitar down and easier and easier to defy the law of deminishing returns...

[rdodson]

Deleted. Don't want to start a flame war. The guys mentioned below were the kind ones.

[StuntDouble]

Deleted. Don't want to start a flame war. The guys mentioned below were the kind ones.

Me neither; and I deleted that cause I didnt mean to sound harsh; just saying that I dont think anyone was trying to run off Robin or be rude to him.

[LypsLynch55]

To the best of my knowledge that picture is from the Japanese magazine Music Life, Aug. 1978 edition. I am surprised that article hasn't been translated yet.

The Japanese leg had 7 shows between June 17 and June 27. This was the half-way point for the tour. Boots are supposed to exist but I've never run across any. I'd like to compare it to the Nightmare boot. Call me crazy but I think his Nightmare rig is what he had in the studio with him for VH1.

I have some Japan boots from that tour, IIRC - Im at work; I will check when i get home - Sorry this so late, but my time to get on this board has been pretty spotty (at best)....

Pauley

[mr ohmite]

BUMP ER POOL

[Tone Slinger]

where/who is robin L ? I missed alot of the stuff here when they (Robin L.) was posting. He really seemed FOS ! It was funny reading/catching up with (one thread was locked then removed wasnt it ?) and how so FEW saw through the BS.

[mikefont]

So was he REALLY Robin "Rudy" Leiren? If so, that is some incredible & insightful stuff he posted! This is a HUGE thread to completely go thru...


Mike

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[Strat78]

Shortly after we all scared "Robin L" away, I believe Dave Freedman talked to the real Rudy on the phone and got a completely different version of the first albums rig. I still think Robin L was really Marco (hell bent on AlNiCo2's).

[leadguy]

Oh no not again.

ROBIN L. is NOT Rudy Leiren.
Dave Friedman checked.

There is more chance that I am Jennifer Aniston then ROBIN L. is Rudy Leiren.

[Ed Hunter]

What did Seymour Duncan do to Eddies PU on Frankie more specific? Give it more turns of wire? How much output did it have?

From the horses mouth, " I rewound eddies gibson P.A.F to 8.9k with the front coil being wound the hotter coil. This same rewind is now being sold as the 78 model from my custom shop.

[mikefont]

Oh no not again.

ROBIN L. is NOT Rudy Leiren.
Dave Friedman checked.

There is more chance that I am Jennifer Aniston then ROBIN L. is Rudy Leiren.

LOL... oh ok, I didn't read ALL 22 pages, so I must have missed that.


Peace
Mike

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[rgalpin]

i don't know who ROBIN L was but i do know that he brought something to the board w regards to slaving that was spot-on from my experience and no one had illuminated it until Sir L. and that is that if you go into the front of a plexi as your 2nd amp, turn all the EQ knobs to 0 and leave the bass on 10. it gives you a GREAT starting point. from there you can dial in as much mids and fizz as your unique setup requires or roll out a little WOMP from the bass if it's eating up the mids etc... it worked so well and was so off the beaten path that it had me thinking that he was who he said he was - and to this day i still think he was somebody who knew something about something - and you can quote me on that!