Not guilty?

[vanhalen5150]

WTF is with the justice system in the USA? Casey Anthony trial? It's OJ Simpson all over again. Scott Peterson got the death penalty with virtually no evidence against him. Jury was unanimous? Absurd.

She'll now get multi million dollar book deals and paid interviews. Networks are bidding for the first interview.

Only positive thing was Nancy Grace's head just exploded.........

[fillmore nyc]

WTF is with the justice system in the USA? Casey Anthony trial? It's OJ Simpson all over again. Scott Peterson got the death penalty with virtually no evidence against him. Jury was unanimous? Absurd.

She'll now get multi million dollar book deals and paid interviews. Networks are bidding for the first interview.

Only positive thing was Nancy Grace's head just exploded.........

Im sorry to do a thread diversion here, cause I agree with 100% of what you've said EXCEPT the Scott Peterson thing...

Just SOME of the people evidence:
Scott Peterson's boat, a 14-foot gamefisher bought for $1,400 in cash just two weeks before Laci went missing. Prosecutors say Scott kept the boat a secret, but Laci's hair was in a pair of pliers in the boat.

Tide pattern searches on his computer right where his wife and childs bodies were found, 90 miles from where they lived, a police dog found Laci's scent at the Berkeley Marina, AND nearly four months after Laci disappeared from her home, her badly decomposed body came to shore less than two miles from where her husband said he had gone fishing the day she disappeared?

Scott Peterson's two-day fishing license. A receipt shows it was purchased well before he quote: "made the spur-of-the-moment decision" to go fishing on Christmas Eve.

Peterson sold his wife's car shortly after she disappeared and tried to sell their home. And, as seen in police videos, Peterson turned his baby's nursery into a storage room.

The photo of Peterson just before his arrest, hair dyed blond. The prosecution says he was planning to run for the Mexican border with $15,000 in cash and a car loaded with camping gear.

Scott Petersons defense?? He claims he was framed. "Laci was abducted and held for a period of time. The kidnappers killed her and dumped her body into the Bay from another point, like the San Rafael Bridge, after they heard where he had been fishing".

And we havent even started on the whole interaction and conversations he had with Amber Frey...

Weighing just that evidence against his "defense"?? I dunno, man... I think ol' Scotty got a case of the "responsibility shits" when he found out his wife was pregnant, and made a REALLY bad decision on how to deal with it. (IMO).

Sorry for the hijack... now back to our regularly scheduled thread.

Yeah, she looked as guilty as Hitler, and managed to escape justice. Its our legal system. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

[vanhalen5150]

I see what you mean but a lot of the evidence against Peterson would still be considered circumstancial evidence. Either way he got what he deserved.
Its mindblowing though. She cannot be tried for this again so what do the police do now...look for the real killer?

[hdahs]

What goes around comes around, and she will reap what she sowed.

In regards to our justice system, it would work a whole lot better if TV cameras were removed from the courtroom, and trials didnt become money making entertainment. It's pathetic. The public in general doesnt have an inherent right to have all the details of any trial fed to them by any media source. If you are that interested in a trial, take the appropriate time off and go sit in the courtroom.

[spaceace76]

I'm fairly new to the specifics of the trial, but upon discovering the details, it just didn't add up at all why she was acquitted.

she waits 31 days to even report it, gets a tattoo and goes out partying after the disappearance (and without reporting it yet). I get that everyone grieves differently, but that isn't quite license to just ignore that your child is missing or even to obstruct the investigation through lies and being uncooperative, which she was convicted of. Regardless, it seems that the prosecution lost the case because they couldn't substantiate the cause of death. But even without that, it doesn't add up. What about Casey's online comments and strange behavior, the things noticed by her family, and the biggest question of it all, if she didn't do it, who did, and why? there weren't signs of sexual abuse of the child, no ransom sent to the family, and to top it all off the baby was buried in the same area that Casey used to bury dead pets, complete with heart shaped stickers on their boxes, matching up with the stickers in Anthony's room and the residue on the duct tape.

Given that no threats were made to the family about the girl while she was missing, it would seem that the girl was killed for a specific reason pertaining to the lives of the people around her, not someone outside the family. If that's the case, nobody had more motive to kill her than her mother. I hate to play internet detective but the more you look at the facts and evidence (no matter how circumstantial) it seems she did commit the murder but poor police work and a good defense attorney got her out of it. What sucks about being on a jury is that things have to be empirically proven. If the prosecution can't establish how and why someone was killed, the jury can't (or shouldn't anyway) send that person to prison for it. I feel awful for anyone on the bench for this one, it's so obvious yet so circumstantial. The lack of evidence helped her immensely, and of course her father being a former homicide detective probably gave her help somehow in covering it all up.

[fillmore nyc]

Its mindblowing though. She cannot be tried for this again so what do the police do now...look for the real killer?

Yeah, really!! In that regard, it pretty closely resembles the OJ case. Its screwed up, cause I believe double jeopardy also applies in Fla... if so, she could actually admit to the crime, and not be punished for it. Im not too sure that the prosecution did the right thing by going for Murder One. Its easily the hardest thing to convict someone of, and the lesser charges become harder to obtain a guilty verdict once she was acquitted of M1.
So she was found guilty of supplying law enforcement with false information. A Google search shows that she could get a max of 1 year in prison and $100 fine on each count. I think she's already served 3 years, so Ill bet she doesnt get much more than a slap on the wrist.

What goes around comes around, and she will reap what she sowed.

+1, or at least I hope so!!

In regards to our justice system, it would work a whole lot better if TV cameras were removed from the courtroom, and trials didnt become money making entertainment. It's pathetic. The public in general doesnt have an inherent right to have all the details of any trial fed to them by any media source. If you are that interested in a trial, take the appropriate time off and go sit in the courtroom.

I believe this too, but in a literal sense, I think the public actually does have the right to the RESULTS of any trial (it IS always "The People vs... ), but not necessarily the gory details of what occurred. THAT shit is strictly "Entertainment Tonight" ratings gathering for the network running the stream, cause (IMO) the large majority of people LIKE gory details. It somehow makes them feel better (less guilty) of their own transgressions.

I mean, once we all heard about OJ, and the shit that come out at his trial about what happened, how he was treating his wife prior to her death, etc, everyone else looked like a friggin' saint!!

I guess on some level, we're all guilty of that though... its kinda tough to turn the channel when you hear that the story of Charles Manson, or Ted Bundy is coming on... I guess the difference is that with OJ, and the Casey Anthony trial, we're watching it in "real time".

[mightymike]

Not only not guilty, but now free to make another baby. She just got out this morning at 12:15am

[fillmore nyc]

Not only not guilty, but now free to make another baby. She just got out this morning at 12:15am

Hate to say it, but I'd still bang 'er.


















Well, really??? I DONT hate to say it. She IS a fuckin' triple piece of shit that should get shot in the throat while choking to death on her dinner, but she DOES have a kick-ass bod and one of those "Can I blow you cause Im a fuckin' party idiot??" kinda faces...

Its a NYC thing to wanna do a bitch like that. Amy Fischer is a perfect example. Stupid, nice bod, willing, hot and I dont know anybody personally that wouldnt rail her ass into 13 pieces.

Chiefy'll tell ya what it is.

[mightymike]

I know it's easy for you to say, but eventualy (within 5 minutes) you couldn't help but think about and feel bad poor dead child, and it would be an instant Boner Kill.

[Tone Slinger]

SO TRUE !!!

Karma is a reality !

[fillmore nyc]

I know it's easy for you to say, but eventualy (within 5 minutes) you couldn't help but think about and feel bad poor dead child, and it would be an instant Boner Kill.

I know it Mike... I had a few drinks in me when I posted, so my bad for not getting that before hitting "Submit"... wasnt thinking with the right head.


Yeah, seeing the pics of her daughter, and then seeing her stone-cold demeanor in court is just SUCH a stark contrast that its really kinda hard to fathom. I mean, not even a fucking twist of the lips, or a tear cracked at ALL when the prosecutor is detailing finding her daughters skeletal remains with duct tape on her head.
The only emotion she shows is upon acquittal of the major charges.

I dunno... it just doesnt make sense unless she is a TRUE sociopath, and for real, she fits the DSM IV description to a tee... its like reading her bio:

"The DSM IV profile of the Sociopath":

Glibness and Superficial Charm.

Manipulative and Conning:
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self:
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying:
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt:
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions:
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love.

Need for Stimulation:
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy:
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature:
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency:
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability:
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity:
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle:
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility:
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Its her 100%.

[Tone Slinger]

I agree with that post Fill. Still, it's unfortunate that 'Love Is Blind'. That poor Peterson girl, who fell for that monster, she must have known, deep down, that he was not 'geniune'. I have been blinded by people like this before. Luckily, in my case, my 'time was up' with a woman who, in hind sight, fit the above description, only I was 'blinded' to it. Only by recieving a call from this woman (while she was engaged in sex with another man !) did I GET IT !

[SteadyEddie]

My wifes theory is that Casey would chloroform Caylee so she could go out partying without a babysitter.
One night, she comes home to a dead child and freaks out.
If this is true, then she is a piece of shit parent and a horrible human being but not a murderer. She caused her childs death but not intentionally.

[fillmore nyc]

I have been blinded by people like this before. Luckily, in my case, my 'time was up' with a woman who, in hind sight, fit the above description, only I was 'blinded' to it. Only by recieving a call from this woman (while she was engaged in sex with another man !) did I GET IT !

Damn, TS, this story is SO common. I've had my share of shit too, and I know more than a few couples that have been done in by infidelity.
HONESTY, Bro!! People just wanna have their "day at the beach" but they tell their S.O. that they were at the fuckin' movies... Somewhere, shit hits the light of day, and then its (usually) all over, with the emotional human carnage laying all over the street. All the neighbors know... all the co-workers know... and only people that have "been there" REALLY understand. Do you know that the stat of people that have, at some point, strayed out of their primary relationship is 2 out of 3???? Fucking amazing!!!
Its sad, man... just sad.

My wifes theory is that Casey would chloroform Caylee so she could go out partying without a babysitter.
One night, she comes home to a dead child and freaks out.
If this is true, then she is a piece of shit parent and a horrible human being but not a murderer. She caused her childs death but not intentionally.

I dunno, Ed. Her total and complete lack of emotion in the court proceedings tells me that she never really freaked out about what transpired with her daughter. I mean, how the FUCK can someone... the MOTHER of that child, sit there absolutely emotionless while they read off the findings of her daughters remains???
Im NOT trying to make a joke, but its almost Josef Mengele-like.
If she really didnt do it, how on earth can she listen to those kind of horrendous details and show no empathy for her daughters suffering at ALL???

I cant fathom it.

[mightymike]

My wifes theory is that Casey would chloroform Caylee so she could go out partying without a babysitter.
One night, she comes home to a dead child and freaks out.
If this is true, then she is a piece of shit parent and a horrible human being but not a murderer. She caused her childs death but not intentionally.

I always thought this kind of circumstance would be considered accidental murder, or manslaughter... certainly not murder. But according to the jury instructions, there where 2 types of capital murder she could have been found guilty of and sentenced to death.

-Murder 1... premeditated murder
-Felony Murder.... Death resulting from child abuse.. It doesn't matter if the death was accidental

What sucks for the jury is that they couldn't prove exactly how that kid died becasue of the decomposition. They probably thought it was Scenario A or B, but couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt which one it was. She could have drowned, suffocated, or overdosed on chloroform, but you had to know for sure which one it was to convict. Many of them thought there was a possibility that the father was involved.

My thoughts are having a retired Homicide detective for a Dad really came in handy when trying to clean up a crime scene. CSI was the family business. I think she did scenario A or B, and Dad was the cleaner, or she learned from him how to cover it up. Scrub the hell out of the car and house in a way only a homicide detective (or daughter of one) would know how to do. So no DNA, or traces of bleach in the car. No fingerprints on the Duct Tape. That's pro all the way.

The only thing that throws me off here is the fact that he used the same tape to post missing signs. If your smart enough to do all that cleaning, why not ditch the rest of the tape? Unless they thought doing so would expose them if credit card purchases could be traced to that tape lot. So leave the tape in the house, play dumb on that by using it on the signs, and claim who ever committed the murder used the tape.... But wait she later says dad found her in the pool drowned and dumped her body.

That's the thing with this case. No matter what theory, there's a road block of doubt. I would hate to have been on this jury.